Talk:Hunza Valley

Restored

Restored second half of article. It had been deleted by an anonymous user in an apparent act of vandalism. Lexington1 (talk) 04:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The article should be the main Hunza article

The disambig page Hunza should be like this:

Hunza may refer to

• Hunza Valley <--- should be the main article on Hunza
• Former State of Hunza <--- Currently this article is named Hunza, Pakistan
• Hunza River
• Hunza diet
• Hunza is the Muisca name of the city of Tunja, Colombia.

Waqas.usman 19:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

If the Hunza lived until 100 years old they would be vastly studied as obviously they have some secrets that modern medicine ahs not answered. I sincerely doubt this claim, and want to see evidence.

I cant be bothered to remove it as I know it will return, but can someone look into this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.184.30.132 (talk) 19:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Moved text 2010-05-20

This entry moved from article, no sources and loads of weasel wording:

The Hunza valley contains many small villages. The first village is Khizerabad. Prior to the early 20th century, the people of the Hunza valley are said to have had an average lifespan of 100. This group of people were highly associated with nature, especially regarding dieting habits and lifestyle. They highly acknowledged the apricot seed, using it as currency. The women would squeeze out the liquid from the kernel, and spread it over their foreheads, eliminating their wrinkles even at an extraordinary age. Unfortunately with more contact to the outside world, the Hunzukuts' average lifespan increasingly dropped, due to different ideas and lifestyle their group was obtaining from other peoples. The Hunzu valley is frequently referred to as Shangri La, and is also known as "The Valley Where you Live Forever"

br, Rayshade (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

text is subjective versus objective re: "spectacular" etc

should be more neutral

Culture and Traditions

Culture and Traditions In Northern Pakistan "Chitral, Gilgit, Hunza and Baltistan" Noroz is celebrated as a socio-religious festival. It is also celebrated with much fervour in Balochistan and in the urban centres of Karachi and Lahore. The day coincides with the coming of spring season on March 21, but the celeberation continues for weeks. In Baltistan, the main feature of Norouz is gifting of coloured eggs to friends and playing polo, volley ball, hockey and football, westling, tug of war alongside folk dances, songs and music and exhibition of handicraft. While in Balochistan, the festival is marked with outdoor feasts, and the traditional jumping over a fire to wash away sins and usher in a fresh start. The origins of this festival are pre-Islamic and date back to when Pakistan was part of the Persian Empire for several thousand years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.255.42.114 (talk) 09:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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Revert

Hello Mr. Kautilya3, I would appreciate if you would be working with me on this, as I am still new, instead of being so aggressive. I am willing to learn and improve as an editor, but it becomes difficult if you just revert without discussing it with me. The source clearly spoke about Brahmi graffiti. I used that, and used other common knowledge to develop my edit. I should have used this[1] article as well. But, that was my mistake. Please help me improve the article with these sources, instead of fighting with me. I am old enough to know when I am belittled. Kindly give me your suggestions on how you want to develop my work. Zakaria1978 (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Zakaria1978, welcome to Wikipeida. WP:BRD is a normal process of Wikipedia and there is nothing aggressive or belittling about it. All edits made to Wikipedia are subject to consensus.

• The main problem with your edit was that you removed an existing "citation needed" tag. The tag indicates that somebody has already contested it and it is possibly contentious. So removing the tag without explanation is not permitted.
• If it is the case that only some of the material (like the Brahmi graffiti) in the content is supported by the citation, but not all of it, then please add that information in the footnote. For example, you can say, "see XYZ for the details of Brahmi graffiti". The <ref> is meant for footnotes and it is not limited to just giving a citation.
• Also, I would request you to put WP:Full citations in your footnotes, not bare url's. You can use https://reftag.appspot.com to convert Google Book links to full citations.
• Some of us watch a large number of pages on our watch lists, just to defend the coherence of Wikipedia, and we may not necessarily have the time to spend on researching it ourselves. You just need to ensure that WP:V (and WP:NPOV) are satisfied. All the best.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Mr. Kautilya3, I still disagree with you. I found you to be aggressive. Regardless, I would appreciate if you would help in this. Also, thanks for the link above for citation, but, it seems to not work for news articles. Zakaria1978 (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Also, Mr. Kautilya3, this is what I propose. If you disagree, can I get your version? So, we may come to an agreement?

The region has many works of graffiti in the ancient Brahmi script written on rocks, produced by Buddhist monks as a form of worship and culture. With the majority of locals converting to Islam, they had been left largely ignored, destroyed or forgotten, but are now being restored.

References

I have copyedited the content and added full citation for the second source. (Yes, reftag.appspot.com only works for Google Books links.) If it is acceptable to you, please go ahead and add it to the paragraph.

The main thing you need to remember that the content has to match what the cited source says. This is called WP:text-source integrity. If it does not match, it would be considered deceptive on the part of Wikipedia. So please avoid it all costs. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! That works for me. I read it as I did, and I wrote it based on what I understood. But, I have zero issues with your version. Zakaria1978 (talk) 08:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I think here[2] they were Tham, not Mir. Let me know if this is accurate. Zakaria1978 (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

In the 19th century they were certainly called "Mirs of Hunza". There are plenty of British sources that refer to them as such. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Altitude difference

Hi, I am not sure if the following qualifies as reputable source because it's a private homepage but maintained by renowned Himalaya expert Günter Seyfferth. He writes the altitude difference from Ghulmet to the summit of Rakaposhi is 5,900 m over a distance of 9 km, thus the deepest gorge in the world even beating the difference between the summit of Dhaulagiri and the bottom of the Kali Gandaki Gorge in Nepal. Maybe worth adding to the article. (The largest altitude difference of 7,045 m is between the summit of Nanga Parbat (8,125 m) and Gunar (1,080 m) over a distance of 22.4 km.)

https://himalaya-info.org/Map%20karakorum_northwest.htm

https://www.himalaya-info.org/Karakorum_flug.html

The site is in German but Google Translate gives you a decent translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.himalaya-info.org/Map%2520karakorum_northwest.htm

--Jo1971 (talk) 22:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure, please add WP:In-text attribution for claims of this kind. The footline says:

Copyright © Guenter Seyfferth, 2006. Updated as of December 9th, 2018. All rights reserved.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:59, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan

The Hunza Valley is located in Gilgit-Baltistan which India claims to be part of its territory and so does Pakistan. So it is not truth to state that the valley is in Pakistan. Srivatsan (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Hence it is appropriate to state in this Article that Hunza Valley is in Gilgit-Baltistan region of India. Srivatsan (talk) 20:46, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

So, should we also say that Srinagar is in the Kashmir Valley region of Pakistan? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand your logic or statement. If you read my proposal correctly I am saying entire Jammu and Kashmir region including Gilgit-Baltistan I'd part of India. This is the official position of Republic of India. Everything else is speculation or politics. Srivatsan (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The "logic" is that Pakistan also claims that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of Pakistan. It is not our job to decide these disputes. Wikipedia summarises reliable third party sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. If both India and Pakistan claims the entire state as their own, why is the page curre tly state that Hunza Valley is in Pakistan? If you noticed that is exactly the change I made in the page. Srivatsan (talk) 11:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

If you want to propose change of wording, which should apply to all pages of former Jammu and Kashmir, please do so at WT:INDIA and WT:PAKISTAN, and obtain consensus. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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