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A fact from Huis ter Nieuwburg appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 August 2008, and was viewed approximately 5,727 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Dutch palace Huis ter Nieuwburg (pictured) in Rijswijk was demolished in 1790 after years of neglect?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/August.

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Central axis

I believe the central axis of the palace and gardens points in the direction of the Nieuwe Kerk in Delft and not in the direction of (the church of) Schipluiden.^[1][2] In the Nieuwe Kerk in Delft is the mausoleum of his father William the Silent and the crypt where his parents, his brother, and his two daughthers are buried.^[3] – Ilse @ 19:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 1697 engraving, if you will take the trouble to display it at maximum definition and then click to enlarge it, will demonstrate quite clearly that the axis is to the church spire at Schipluiden.--Wetman (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had taken the trouble before I commented on this issue. Schip-luij/Schipluiden is number 23, on the right side just above the horizon. Delft is number 22, slightly obscured by the fold in the center. – Ilse @ 20:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies are in order. I had mis-connected the numbers along the horizon, reading left to right 24, 22 (partly obscured) and 23, with the corresponding legend at the base, in numerical order: 22. Delft. 23. Schip-luÿ. 24. De Delftse vaart Ilse@'s visual coordination was better than mine in this. And a so much more meaningful connection, too! That information about the mausoleum should be added to the text about the garden axis. --Wetman (talk) 20:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The second reference mentioned above, a Dutch biography of Prince Frederick Henry, explains the "connection". Maybe this should be mentioned in the building section, since the prince built a lodge that looks out to the church.^[4][5] – Ilse @ 20:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have added this to the building section. – Ilse @ 09:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source

The following is copied from user talk:Wetman--Wetman (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you add an explicit source reference (also if you used an illustration) for the information about the gardens of Huis ter Nieuwburg? – Ilse @ 19:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted the reference yourself, which was to the engraving of 1697, which should be kept closely associated with the text. Information directly derived from reading a map, or from reading a topographical view, is simply a matter of literacy, not of "original" research, a thought that perhaps motivates your suggestion. All the information about the garden in the article is drawn directly from the illustrated engraving. I am copying this to Talk:Huis ter Nieuwburg for general consumption. --Wetman (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A source reference using a citation template would help me and other readers. – Ilse @ 20:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are inferences drawn directly from a map that is displayed with the text in a Wikipedia article thought to need a citation template to "help" other readers? What detail in the description is not drawn directly from the source, which is displayed for instant reference alongside the text? In writing the description I had no private information and undertook no research: just my visual literacy, which as one may see from the exchange above, is not perfect! Are there further errors detectable? -Wetman (talk) 20:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of information was successfully extracted from the engraving. Nevertheless I think the image cannot be a reliable source for details about used materials ("paved and cobbled forecourt", "brick walls", "gravelled walk") or sorts of trees ("fruit trees", "evergreens"). For some inferences in the garden section other more reliable sources could be found in time, that could replace the image as a source. – Ilse @ 10:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image

I have found another digital image of the palace and gardens, perhaps it can be uploaded: [6]. – Ilse @ 09:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Tsarina Anna in 1753"

By then she was long dead --Ghirla^-трёп- 23:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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