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Non-encyclopedic Opinion-piece

[quote] "The international press likes to state that they are married to keep up an image of propriety" [unquote]

This is a speculative opinion which feels like a very partial view. It's certainly not encyclopedic. Therefore, I have deleted it.

On the one hand, we don't know what the international press "likes" or does not "like" to do (not least of which, because the "International Press" is not a single being). On the other hand, unless we can provide references to support the claim that journalists "state that they are married to keep up an image of propriety", this too warrants deletion.

(I won't mention the obvious fact that the Press in general has no issues with "propriety" and doesn't usually lie to make facts more acceptable to conservative members of society. By this line of reasoning dictated by propriety, Prince William doesn't live with his girlfriend, Tom-and-Cate didn't have Suri out of wedlock, and Brad and Anjelina were married by the Pope...)

Nationality

Previous version listed him as English rather than Australian. Weaving appears to consider himself Australian (albeit, by his own admission, "not the purest Australian). While he does not have Australian citizenship (which was common for UK citizens who migrated to Australia as British Subjects prior to legislative changes which took effect in 1986) it's worth noting that 'citizenship' is not synonymous with 'nationality'. Archimedes von Snuggleboots (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What Weaving "considers himself" is irrelevant. He is legally British, and therefore received an HONORARY Order of Australia. WWGB (talk) 05:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If he's legally British, why does your edit state he's English? They're not the same thing. Archimedes von Snuggleboots (talk) 07:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not that simple. Suggest you start with WP:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom. WWGB (talk) 08:06, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WWGB, you seem to believe that nationality is a synonym for citizenship. That is just not so. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography says: The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident …

Weaving has resided in Australia for the entirety of his career, so he's obviously a permanent resident, and pretending that he's a British actor and only a British actor is loopy. He is, on any reasonable definition of Australian-ness, also an Australian actor. That he has chosen not to acquire Australian citizenship is not germane.

I'll be restoring my edit that you reverted here, unless you convince me your case has any merit. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 04:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JackofOz: You have provided no evidence that Weaving is a citizen, national, or permanent resident of Australia. Even if he were a PR, that still does not make him an Australian. Unless there are sources to the contrary, he remains British. According to [1], only an Australian citizen can say, ‘I am Australian.’ WWGB (talk) 11:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, definitely not an Australian as per the Citizenship Act. It doesn't matter if he feels Australian or whatever, he legally isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.167 (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except, as I pointed out above, we're talking not about citizenship, but nationality, a somewhat broader and less well-defined concept. Please keep up. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 10:06, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a stupid technicality. He lives in Australia (has done most of his life), works in Australia, owns a home in Australia, pays taxes in Australia and his kids are Australian FFS. Greg von Bock's illegitimate son (talk) 12:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality, again

MOS:NATIONALITY states that "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident." According to the lead sentence of this article, Weaving "has resided in Australia for the entirety of his career." Thus, Australia is the place in which Weaving is a "permanent resident" and is the place in which he has persued the "activities that made [him] notable".

I truly don't understand why other editors are so ardently against classifying him as Australian. It's such a weird thing to make into a conflict. It's pretty clear – both according to Wikipedia policy and just in general – that Weaving is Australian. Loytra (talk) 07:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First, one does not become a permanent resident of Australia merely by living there for a long time. Permanent residence is a status granted by the Australian government.[2]. Second, in international law, the terms 'nationality' and 'citizenship' are used interchangeably.[3]. Third, no evidence has been produced that Weaving is a permanent resident, citizen or national of Australia. Weaving was made an Honorary Officer of the Order of Australia. Honorary appointments in the Order of Australia may be made to people who are not Australian citizens.[4] Weaving is a British citizen living in Australia. WWGB (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]