Talk:Hugh Bunel

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 11:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that after murdering Mabel de Bellême in France, Hugh Bunel went into exile for almost 20 years, serving with the Byzantine emperor and the Saracen army before joining Robert Curthose on crusade?

• Source: "Hugh Bunel, who murdered Mabel of Bellême, found himself pursued for years. Orderic tells us that Hugh fled first to Apulia, then to Sicily, and from there to the service of the Byzantine emperor Alexios Comnenos. But wherever Hugh went he was pursued by the threats and bribes of King William and Mabel's sons, who 'promised rewards and gifts to any spies who could kill the exiled assassin in whatever land they might find him', And so Hugh left Christendom altogether and lived among the Saracens for twenty years until, during the First Crusade, he appeared before Robert Curthose at the siege of Jerusalem and offered him his help and service in counsel and battle." from: Hagger, Mark S. (2017). Norman Rule in Normandy, 911-1144. Boydell & Brewer. p. 450. ISBN 978-1-78327-214-3.

• ALT1: ... that Norman warrior Hugh Bunel lived for years among the Saracens before turning against them to join the First Crusade? Source: as above
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Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 876 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 07:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, QPQ done. Can't access the relevant part of the hook source, but items sourced to Ordericus 1854 check out and have been very well rearranged throughout the article. I would just like to check where the certainty in the hook comes from, as the cited quote from the source (thanks a lot for that) reports it with some hesitation. CMD (talk) 08:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi CMD, I chose the quote above as it tells the story in one easy citable passage. I think Haggard is just making clear his source; other publications I have cited in the article state it more directly. Eg: "Hugh Bunel, who was exiled from Normandy after hacking off the head of Mabel of Bellême as she lay in bed, lived for twenty years among the Saracens, studying their customs and language: as a result he was able to offer useful services to the armies of the First Crusade." from: Fletcher, Richard A. (1991). The Quest for El Cid. Oxford University Press. p. 109. ISBN 978-0-19-506955-6. - Dumelow (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for adding further, good to go. CMD (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Gaping hole about how inheritance was taken

Did I miss it, or does the article utterly fail to provide any clue how Bunel's "inheritance was taken"? Did de Bellême steal it with a gang of ruffians and force out the rightful heir and his family? Bribe or otherwise unlawfully persuade the king to take it? Claim it with forged documents? What appears to be the pivotal event in his life lacks explanation of how it came to happen. N'Awlins Contrarian 04:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not in the sources I have. If you can find it would be great to add it in - Dumelow (talk) 08:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)