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Requested move 29 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: move to Hudun 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Xudun, Somalia → Hudun – Mirror move of parent region. See discussion. As shown it has already been agreed upon that Sool is labeled as part of Somaliland. This town is the only one on Wikipedia whos page has not been corrected to follow that convention. Futhermore, all other cities and towns in the region are titled using the English spelling of their names. It is inconsistent for this town to be the only one titled in Somali. Either all should be titled in Somali or none should be. Subayerboombastic (talk) 04:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move Almost all articles about Somali-inhabited towns have English-spelled titles, so consistency is key. And I also think that on Wikipedia, English spellings are required. Hudun is the spelling most sources give it as well. Gebagebo (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Subayerboombastic: Hudun is a disambiguation page so I'd suggest the article is moved to Hudun, Somaliland. Gebagebo (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gebagebo: Yes, I believe that would be fine. It would definitely be an improvement over the current title. Would moving it to Hudun, Somaliland require a new move request or would it be something that could be done with the current request? Subayerboombastic (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move but as discussed in Category talk:Disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland, there are objections to the idea that Sool is Somaliland. In other words, both making Xudun to Somalia or to Somaliland may violate WP:POV. I recommend "Hudun" to "Hudun (disambiguation)", "Xudun, Somalia" to "Hudun."--Freetrashbox (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Freetrashbox: I don't believe adding Somaliland to the title would violate WP:POV because Somaliland has clear administrative authority over sool, as evidenced by last years parliamentary elections held in the region. Though Puntland does claim the region, it should be noted that the federal government of Somalia recognizes the region as part of Somaliland^[1] even though they of course do not recognize Somaliland's sovereignty overall. So Somaliland both has administrative control over the region as part of its defacto-state as well as dejure authority as a so-called federal state according to the federal government of Somalia. Therefore, I believe it would be okay to include Somaliland in the title while still acknowledging the territorial dispute in the article itself. Nonetheless, I believe your solution would be quite practical and would avoid even the potential of violating WP:POV. So I am in favour. Subayerboombastic (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your understanding. If possible, I hope we can avoid discussing Sool attribution here.--Freetrashbox (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Freetrashbox: Of course, I have no interest in getting involved in that. I find your solution to be the best course of action and hope others can come to a consensus around it. Subayerboombastic (talk) 06:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Freetrashbox: I support your proposition as well, that would be my first choice. Either that or Hudun, Somaliland if moving the disambiguation page is deemed too much. Gebagebo (talk) 22:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Freetrashbox and Gebagebo: I believe a consensus has been achieved to move Xudun, Somalia to Hudun and Move the current "Hudun" to "Hudun (disambiguation)" as Freetrashbox suggested. Subayerboombastic (talk) 20:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Subayerboombastic: I think it is safe to assume that we have reached an agreement.--Freetrashbox (talk) 02:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@78.26: Can an admin please close this discussion and move the page was per the agreed upon solution? Thank you Subayerboombastic (talk) 22:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

^ https://www.voasomali.com/a/3629504.html#:~:text=The%20forum%20discussed%20in%20depth%20the%20issue%20of%20the%20Sool%20and%20Sanaag%20regions%20of%20Somaliland%20in%20the%20Upper%20House%20of%20the%20Federal%20Parliament.

Your revert

@Seepsimon: I saw your edit. Your edit clearly lacks sources. For examples, http://www.statoids.com/yso.html is clearly indicated that Hudun is Somalia. And the Goodle map shows Hudun as being in Somalia. If you believe the description should be as you have indicated, you need to provide a new source. Freetrashbox (talk) 13:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry the site you provided is not secured site. We can't take the information from unsecured site every one can create plus Hudun isn't disputed territory Seepsimon (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Seepsimon: This sources were not chosen by me. Your rewriting of the title of the source from the original "Districts of Somalia" to "Districts of Somaliland" is an unbelievable outrage. Also, Google map clearly shows that Hudun is in Somalia. It would be good to have both sides of the argument, as in my description, with one opinion saying Hudun is Somaliland and the other saying Somalia. Freetrashbox (talk) 13:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hudun was once part of Districts of Somalia but not now. It is the part of defacto Sovereign state of Somaliland like caynaba and lascanod and it is fully controlled by Somaliland. Taleh is the disputed district If you are saying about claiming All of the territories of Somaliland is claimed by somalia But these articles are based on reality you can't change and I won't allow you to do that. Hudun is like the other districts of Somaliland It is a district fully controlled by Somaliland. Seepsimon (talk) 13:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Seepsimon: I am not asking for your opinion. Wikipedia statements require a source. If your opinion is unquestionably factual, it should not be difficult to find a source that matches your opinion. Freetrashbox (talk) 14:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of sources in the article even the last somaliland elections. But no problem. I will add more sources in the next hours. Hudun is Somaliland

Seepsimon (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Seepsimon: I saw your edit. You seem to misunderstand Wikipedia's policy of Neutral point of view.

I agree with you that http://www.statoids.com/yso.html is not a very authoritative source, But you seem to have overlooked that Google maps clearly identifies Hudun as Somalia and the BBC identifies the whole of Sool, including Hudun, as a disputed area. If you want to argue that Somaliland is the only sovereign country for Hudun, you need to point to sources more reliable than Google maps and the BBC.

The source you indicated, https://somalilandcsd.org/, is from the government of Somaliland. Since Somaliland claims the entire territory of Sool, it is obvious that any literature made or accepted by the Somaliland government must say that Hudun is Somaliland.

If you want to keep your description, you need to look for sources by media that have no connection with Somaliland (and of course no connection with Somalia or Puntland). Freetrashbox (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will look sources that haven't connection with both sides with in the next days. Since Hudun is a small town there isn't much reports from there. But it is fully controlled by Somaliland. It can't be a disputed territory. I will bring reliable sources from different media. Only boame are the known disputed area in sool. Until that I won't revert back your edition. Seepsimon (talk) 15:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fully under SL control

@Hawkers994: I saw your edit. Today, military control does not mean ownership. If you are claiming that Somaliland owns Hudun, you need a source to show this. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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