Talk:Hot dog/Archive 3

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Archive 2

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Archive 4

Availability (in the US)

Does this section really have value?....

Oogles 01:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hints there of, but not so much. It could all be covered in a sentence. I tend to think that the article could use some dramatic work from head to toe. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 01:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hot dogs around the globe

Is it just me, or does this entire section called "Hot dogs around the globe" violate the Wikipedia:No original research policy? (jarbarf) 20:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

If there are no objections then, I will begin removing some of the unverifiable original research tomorrow. (jarbarf) 15:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

...named after the city of Vienna, Austria...

Per the article (emphasis mine for clarity):

Hot dogs are also called frankfurters, or franks for short (named after the city of Frankfurt, Germany, the original frankfurters are made of pork only), or wieners or weenies (named after the city of Vienna, Austria, whose Kentucky's name is "Wien", the original wieners are made of a mixture of pork and beef).

I don't see how Kentucky and Vienna Austria tie together, can somebody elaborate?

JohnCub 00:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The entire article is unstable and unreliable right now. That sentence fragment looks like leftover vandalism, you'll probably need to dig back several pages worth of revisions, most of which are vandalism, to find the original meaning. (jarbarf) 00:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Here it is, since February 4, 2007. If we can't keep up with the infiltration of nonsense into this article, it should be semi-protected. I'd like to see this page attain Featured Article status but this kind of firefighting is tiresome. (jarbarf) 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

External Links

Why are external links deleted? Are there rules pertaining to the posting of links? Just curious? Mine was deleted by someone for unknown reason. My link is for informational purposes only, non-profit anyone can look at it etc. Hot Dog King 12:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

There is a policy on external links. You can read it here: WP:LINKS. I didn't see which link of yours was removed, but if you read through the policy on links, and still feel yours should be included, post a note here on the talk page. - Authalic 17:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

This article is in partial contradiction with another source

If you have a look to the article from [1], you will find significative differences. The origin of the word is more clear in answers.com and it is indicated that the part concerning cartoon by T. A. Dorgan is false. Do not know who's right, though. 128.101.152.108 19:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

It is false. That part of the article here explains it as "hot dog lore" (not fact), included because it's an extremely popular myth. Also, the sources for answers.com are already covered in the article too, where they drew from Yale record.. well actually they drew from Snopes, which then drew from the Yale record..., etc. Oogles 03:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

History

Origin

The National Hot Dog & Sausage Council page that was linked to is almost identical to Schmidt (2003) so I switched the attribution over to that. I have issues with the Schmidt. It's not academic like most of the other sources I've cited, most of which are published by university presses. Also, I read somewhere than the Viennese call a hot dog a frankfurter, which kind of moots their etymological claim to the hot dog.

Feltman

I have two academic sources for this that I'm happy about.

Feuchtwanger

Both of the sources are academic, but I'm not entirely happy with them. McCullough [1957] (2000) is unabashedly POV and Jakle & Sculle (1999) don't mention Feltman and perpetuate the TAD myth.

Ahe

For this I used a copy of the article that I found on the author's website. Since it doesn't come from The Kansas City Star website, someone might want to double check. The article was far from 100% certain about Ahe, hot dogs and baseball and I tried to convey that in the text.

Nathan's

I'm content with the academic reliability of Immerso. My reservations about Jakle & Sculle remain.

Etymology

This section is more reliant on a blogpost than I would like, but I'm willing to budge here because the substantive difference between Popik and Wilton—which are both from 2004—is the 1893 usage from The Knoxville Journal that Popik found. Popik goes into much greater detail about the history of usage.

JFD 11:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

New world Record

Joey Chestnut set a new world record today July 4, 2007. He ate 66 hotdogs in twelve minutes. 69.65.69.107 17:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

F is for?

Should the F's in Frankfurter / Franks all be capitalized?

It's only been 45 years since my 8th Grade English... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtobacco (talk • contribs) 21:51, 2007 July 11

No, the Fs should not be capitalised. Also, please remember to sign your talk page comments.--Scheinwerfermann 04:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

Eddie Cantor and Jimmy Durante were NOT "clients" of Nathan Handwerker...they were singing waiters at Feltman's while Handwerker was an employee. Handwerker used his wife's family recipe for their initial hot dog stand, and went into business for himself in part because he was encouraged by Cantor and Durante. There should also be reference to Feltman's restaurant -- Charles Feltman started his hot dog stand, where he served "Coney Island Red Hots," derisively called "hot dogs," when there was almost nothing at Coney Island except a beach, the Centennial or Iron Tower, and the original switchback railway (an extremely primitive form of roller coaster): as Coney Island became the vast amusement complex of Steeplechase, Dreamland and Luna Park, Feltman's became the key restaurant and beer garden in roughly the center of the whole area. If Feltman didn't invent the hot dog, he certainly was the most influential figure in popularizing it until Handwerker came along. There should also be some refrence to street hot dog vendors -- the section on availability makes reference to various restaurants, but throughout many areas (at least throughout the New York Metropolitan area) the most commanly available food from independent street vendors, pushcarts and roadside lunch trucks are hotd ogs, notably Sabrett brand and House O' Weenies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.64.130 (talk) 09:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Few Issues

I'll make this short and sweet. The article mentions 7-11 (The convenience store) selling over 100 million hot dogs, but the article it links to says Hot Dogs and Sausages, which ALSO includes their pizza rolls, taquitos or whatever else they cook on the hot dog cooker.

Second issue is the end of article "Also read" section: Advanced meat recovery Hot dog variations Mechanically separated meat Sausage bun Sausage sandwich by-products

Come on, those options are totally biased because most hot dogs aren't even made like they used to be. I know a decade ago hot dogs had the filth but now and days it's usually 100% beef that doesn't include the testicles... I can understand maybe 1 or 2 links about hot dogs by products, but 3! Let's balance the scale a little, huh? Especially when By product, Meat separation, and meat recovery are all talking generally about the same thing: getting the MOST and I do mean MOST out of a single animal. Condense sir. Fadedroots (talk) 04:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC) ENGLISH IS ENGLISH! SPELL THINGS LIKE COLOUR IN THE CORRECT WAY FORM NOW ON!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.157.96 (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Moist Sausage

'Moist sausage' is an inappropriate way to describe a hot dog. It makes me want to vomit, not eat hot dogs. Also I am afraid that the bun is integral to the hot dog item otherwise you just have a single Frankfurt sausage flopping around. A hot dog is not 'often placed' in a bun, a hot dog unit in fact comprises a sausage in a bun. This is not my opinion, this is fact.

Unless someone would like to argue this, I will change these wordings on the 20th of December.

- Hot dogs can also be eaten off a bun. Many people enjoy slices of hot dogs dipped in ketchup and eaten with a fork or mixed with baked beans and served as a single dish (beans and franks.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.203.169 (talk) 04:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Grammar

"More blander needs to be changed to "more bland"

Wrong. Monosyllabic adjectives are typically made into comparatives by adding -er. Thus, "blander".

If you're gonna make it "blander", you need to get rid of the "more". unless (talk) 15:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Contents

I think some mention should be made of the widely-repeated idea that hotdogs are made of mysterious and/or disgusting things, likely dating back to the days when factories and their products were largely unregulated, and anything made of ground meat could be just about anything... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 01:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Someone less lazy than me, get a-writin'! Bartholomewklick (talk) 21:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

re- above: this is mostly an urban legend, at least today. hot dogs contain no more or less "disgusting things" than any other food product made of ground or processed meat. Many hot dog manufacturers today use high quality meat, probably better ingredients than most fast food franchises. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.3.106 (talk) 00:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I think some mention should be made of the fact that frankfurters are properly an emulsion of fat and meat. This is one of the key distinctions between a hot dog/frankfurter and other sausages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.153.96 (talk) 01:34, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

See Bruce Aidells' Complete Sausage Book, page 66. It states "the hot dog is an emulsified sausage". Jdskeilson (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Another pronounciation of hot dog is weinie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.166.90 (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned previously (and edited accordingly) authorities on the hot dog state that the contents are an emulsion. Why was this reverted? Why is an uncited, inaccurate description being used instead of an expert's published material?Jdskeilson (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Is a hot dog considered a sandwich? What differentiates it from a sausage sandwich enough that a hot dog isn't considered a sandwich? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.117.43 (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

its a urban legend that hot dogs are made from intestines? or that they are dyed pink? 67.176.160.47 (talk) 05:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The article does mention the intestine casing, but it probably should do this at an earlier point. Food coloring isn't illegal or unusual, so it wouldn't necessarily be notable to mention it. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 10:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Halal

It mentions Kosher hot dogs in the paragraph as being from meats other than Pork, but the globally much more common Halal versions are not mentioned/discussed, as there are by far more Muslims - including in the West. That intro section is locked, so I wasn't able to edit. Pink Princess (talk) 03:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Editor Scythian1 made the change, adding Halal to intro para. Seems ok. Presuming, of course, that there really are a substantial number of Muslims who would recognize the term "hot dog" for something they themselves eat? It doesn't ring out as being a particularly Muslim food -- by this name, at least. Piano non troppo (talk) 05:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if hot dogs aren't "particularly Muslim". What matters is the fact that some hot dogs are made to be suitable for consumption by Muslims. It doesn't ring out as a "particularly Jewish" food either, but you can't deny that there are kosher 'dogs out there. 121.72.192.11 (talk) 09:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The idea is to emphasize what about a topic is central. When I think Tabbouleh, I think "Arab". When I make it, I rely on Arab sources. Equally, but oppositely, when making sushi, my first thought isn't to look at Australian aborigine recipes. There are Arab markets in my area, and I occasionally shop in them. I don't remember seeing hot dogs, but I'll have another look. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 23:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Look up "Chili House". It's a burger and hot dog chain which was founded in Amman, Jordan and has spread throughout the Middle East. When I was in Amman a few years back, this place was a Big Deal, starting to rival shawarma joints for quick, cheap food. Hell, they even call their dogs Coneys. That it's not a big thing here in the states doesn't mean it's not a VERY big deal elsewhere. unless (talk) 15:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

misspelling

The article spells "taking" "talking" in the history section (search for white gloves). I'd correct, but I'm not established, etc.

Fixed. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

History Section

We need to admit that there is a fundamental difference between a 'sausage on a bun' and a hot dog. The historical development of the hot dog that we know today (made out of "meat slurry" and such) needs to be addressed. Csdavis1 (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

One problem is that the term is massively "fuzzy". It a critical feature of a "hot dog" that it has meat, or that it looks like this brown-red cylindrical thing that comes neatly packaged in two rows? Is a weiner without a bun a "hot dog"? (If someone offered me a "hot dog" I'd expect to see the bun.) Add to this the element of national pride which seeks to distort meaning so that some country has a more prominent role. Add to this commercial posturing about which is the "original", and by implication "best". Add to this regional differences ... and the composite is one big mess.

The guy who discovered penicillin, the guy who invented the telescope ... they changed the history of the world. The guy who created a distinct "hot dog"? The next idiot down the road might have created the same thing with a sesame bun. Would that have had a profound implication on human history? I'd say ... it would have practically none. So I have a certain question whether the topic of origin needs as much article material as it does now. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. And given that MANY people claim "invention" of the hot dog, note that it's not so much a sausage, as that has been called "dog" a long time. Maybe someone said give me a hot "dog" and it just kind of went into place. I wrote a lot of that section so long ago. I also put in the "MYTH" of Tad, felt it was appropriate, as is an extremely popular myth for the term "hot dog". I posted the Yale Record, think it's better. But, interesting in each that they put it in quotes "hot dogs". So maybe they ate hot sausages. Either way, the quotes are around "Hot dogs". Maybe, of course, they are writing to their readers. 24.254.192.177 (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Hot dog shape controversy

Even if this topic doesn't ultimately end up in the article, it'll likely be discussed here. The American Academy of Pediatrics wants the hot dog to be redesigned so that it's less of a choking hazard. The policy statement from Pediatrics article is here (DOI: 10.1542/peds.2009-2862, dated today, the 22nd) and a USA Today article from today is here (by Liz Szabo). Mapsax (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

There's no reason it should not be in the article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/nightly_news#35529712 20% of all choking related ER visits. Astounding.

I added the information. Piano non troppo (talk) 10:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Advertisement for Nathan's

Just wondering - why does a certain manufacturer of sausages and similar stuff have to be mentioned who doesn't have anything to do with the invention / original production of the franks or wieners, but seems to simply sell them a lot nowadays, though certainly not without the competition, whereas his competitors are not mentioned at all?

Sandwich

Can we please remove the word "sandwich" from under the first picture? A hot dog is not a sandwich unless it is between two pieces of bread. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrypotthead (talk • contribs) 02:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Which, unless you're this guy, describes a bun... HalfShadow 02:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

A bun is not two pieces of bread, but rather one piece of bread with a slit in the middle for the hot dog to fit in. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrypotthead (talk • contribs) 02:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I understand your confusion if you are not resident in North America. However in North America a bun, especially when surrounding a hamburger patty, is frequently referred to as a 'sandwich'. DJ Clayworth (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to jump in here and mention that, as a lifelong resident of North America's west coast, I have never heard of anything put into a bun referred to as a "sandwich". If you offered me a "hot dog sandwich" or a "hamburger sandwich", I would assume you meant you were going to stick the respective meats between slices of Wonderbread or something, and frankly I'd tell you to go screw, because that just sounds gross. I'm guessing that this whole "sandwich" thing is something that happens in some subset of the U.S., and perhaps Canada. unless (talk) 15:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Now wait a minute lol, don't go blaming this "hot dog sandwich" thing on Canada, too, lol. In Canada, you'd be offered a hot dog OR a sandwich. And if you were a caterer up here, and a customer ordered a plate of sandwiches for an office meeting, and you sent a platter of hot dogs, I think there'd be a sudden panicked phone call from the poor soul that was in charge of the food for that meeting. Randal Oulton (talk) 08:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I will have to concur with user "DJ Clayworth" and disagree with user "Unless you". As a North American, I frequently hear a hot dog on a bun referred to as a "hot dog sandwich". And this is not confined to North America, as I took this picture in Amsterdam in 2009, and, yes, the product was indeed a hot dog on a bun, so this terminology spans at least two continents. This terminology is akin to the common nomenclature of a "submarine sandwich", a "falafel sandwich", a "hummus sandwich", and a "sausage sandwich"--all of which are served on buns or one piece of bread. Further, the above comment by "Unless you" stating that items served on buns are not referred to as sandwiches is erroneous. Every major North American fast food restaurant that serves a "chicken sandwich" serves these sandwiches on a bun, often of the hamburger bun variety. Pulled pork sandwiches are served on buns. Even turkey served on a bun (a common practice in public school cafeterias) will still be referred to as a turkey sandwich. For purposes of clarity, the term "hot dog sandwich" should be added back to the caption of the picture, so as not to give preference to one dialect or another. Iamonlyamachine (talk) 16:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm a North American and in the last 50 years have never once seen/heard the term "hot dog sandwich". To me, it's a completely nonsensical term. If there was such a thing, it would consist of several hot dogs cut in half or into three or more pieces length wise and placed flat between two pieces of bread. I also have never heard the term "hamburger sandwich", even though it's true that a hamburger is a type of sandwich. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Google seems to indicate that "Hot dog sandwich" is a much less used term, and also an image search for that term shows a number of examples are, as suggested by some above, the hot dog cut up or other wise served between two pieces of sandwich bread or toast. I also don't see that it's necessarily a question of dialect, rather than just being a much less used terms within the same dialects. On the other hand the article is very US-centric, a small section on hotdogs outside of the US even somewhat reinforces this, while its American origin, American association, and place in American culture, is very important of course, it is now a common food throughout the western world and beyond, while the Dutch example is interesting it's not as relevant since English isn't an official language, but more prominence could be given to the term 'American Hotdog' for example. Maybe in the lead 'A hot dog or an American hotdog' for example, the article on Muffin (English) has a similar note at the beginning noting the US variant English Muffin, though actually we call them that in New Zealand too, and Australia as well, and we call proper muffins muffins, hm, and I see that article states it's an American name, though at least it notes it is used outside of the US in the lead section I guess.Number36 (talk) 22:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I came up with an early (early being relative in the course of the universe, of course) quote about a Hot Dog sandwich:

PITTSBURG WOMEN TO SERVE PENNY LUNCHES: The Pittsburg Council of Jewish Women has started a penny luncheon scheme for school children in that city. The plan will be worked at a school in the poorest part of Pittsburg. For 1 cent a child can have a warm meat sandwich or a Wienerwurst sandwich made of a bun. In addition there will be mashed and baked potatoes. More elaborate meals will be served for from 2 to 4 cents. " -- The Post-Standard. Syracuse, New York. 7 January 1911. Page 19.

Randal Oulton (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hotdog vs Hot dog

I would've said the former, google seems to have a significant number of hits for "hotdog" as well, and google fight gives the victory to the single word spelling here, surely at the very least it should be noted as a alternative spelling.Number36 (talk) 23:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

No Chicago Style Hotdog picture?

This article needs a picture of a Chicago style hotdog, as it is the best hotdog in the world. Period. Anyone who has had a real Chicago hotdog knows this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.35.16 (talk) 04:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Chicago-style hot dog has its own dedicated page, with a great photo there. Randal Oulton (talk) 08:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Hot Dog vs Wiener

I read the sandwich discussion section, and thought this topic might come up there, but it didn't.

Most serious hot dog food historians (and there are some hard core ones, I'll tell 'ya), only consider the hot dog to have been born in history when the wiener was married to a long, slit roll, and pronounced a "hot dog."

A wiener on its own ain't a hot dog; a hot dog roll on its own ain't a hot dog either. If someone sold you a hot dog, and gave you only the wiener, and said "oh, the roll is extra", I think you'd be pretty surprised.

In colloquial American English, some people now use the word "hot dog" on its own to mean just a wiener. And colloquial American English is, for better or worse, a powerful force, I grant you.

That being said, I think in a place such as an encyclopaedia, one... well, if ya ain't gonna strive for clarity in an encyclopaedia, where are you going to?

Note the current opening paragraph for this article. It confusingly equates a wiener with a hot dog. This leads to greater confusion in articles such as Rutt's Hut: "Rutt's Hut is a restaurant in Clifton, New Jersey known for its style of deep-fried hot dogs." Now that's confusing because it downright says right away in the reader's mind that the whole thing is deep-fried, roll and all (whereas it's only the wiener that is deep-fried.)

I haven't taken part in this article and so it's not my place to make such a sweeping change to it. I think it should be applied here; but I'm just putting this up for discussion.

Proposal: distinction be made between a hot dog and a wiener. With a note that some people colloquially call just a wiener on its own a hot dog. Randal Oulton (talk) 08:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree - to me, "wiener" means the sausage, while "hot dog" means a wiener in a bun. Perhaps this is a regional difference? If so, it should be mentioned that the term has different meanings; if not, then I would support changing it as you suggest. 96.50.109.213 (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

A Wiener (meaning Viennese in German) is a Viennese sausage, and a Frankfurter (which should be pretty straightforward) means a hotdog, but colloquialy they're indeed the same. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 07:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

A hot dog is not just any sausage

This article is missing a major detail that is crucial to differentiating the hot dog from any other sausage. The hot dog is an emulsified sausage, with a homogeneous meat/fat mixture filling. This needs to be corrected, as all hot dogs are sausages, but not all sausages are hot dogs.
Source is Bruce Aidells' Complete Sausage Book, pg 66: http://books.google.com/books?id=u_7jMJ6Jo4UC&lpg=PR1&dq=bruce%20aidells%20complete%20sausage&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q=emulsified&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdskeilson (talk • contribs) 19:24, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

How is that different from Vienna sausage?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 20:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

The Vienna sausage is also an emulsified sausage, but it is milder in taste and generally shaped a bit differently. Vienna sausage is also more likely to contain pork, while the hot dog is more likely to contain beef, but that isn't a hard and fast rule. There are other types of emulsified sausage besides the hot dog, but it's not a hot dog if it is not emulsified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.146.168 (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Choking hazard

More on hot dogs choking hazard at the USDA website: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Hot_Dogs/index.asp

Cut Hot Dogs before Giving them to Children For children younger than 4, whole hot dogs and other round foods can be a choking hazard. The American Academy of Pediatrics advises that to prevent choking, cut hot dogs lengthwise or into very small pieces before giving them to children. If the hot dogs have a casing, remove it before cutting the hot dog into pieces for the child. --Jmcdzzz (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Weiners…

…does not redirect here. The template should be removed. --188.23.231.98 (talk) 03:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for posting, Dawnseeker2000 03:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

School assignment edit request

Heading added for clarity and archiving by czar ♔ 15:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I want to edit this page for a school assignment. Below is my proposed lead section for the article. Since this is an educational assignment, the lead section must be posted under my user id Ivy104. I do not have an autoconfirmed account, so I can not post the lead section.

A hot dog is a sausage, normally served on a bun with condiments. Hot dogs can be made from pork, beef, turkey, chicken, or vegetarian meat substitutes. The outer covering can be a natural casing made of intestines or an artificially produced casing used for cooking, making the hot dog skinless. Condiment preferences vary around the world and specific condiments can be popular in different regions of a country. Hot dogs can have serious, but reducible, health effects including listeriosis, cancer, and choking. Specialty hot dogs hold several world records. Initially, hot dogs were sold from carts on the street, at sporting events, and amusement parks, but are now widely available at restaurants, convenience stores, and even cooked in homes.

The concept of the hot dog can be traced back centuries in Germany, Austria, and the United States but, controversy surrounds the origin of the invention and its naming as a hot dog.

Ivy104 (talk) 00:45, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

..and where are the references to the above? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 00:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I got all the information from the body of the article hot dog. I read in the learn how section that the lead section should "summarize the key points" of the article's contents.Ivy104 (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: video to make it

180.250.20.147 posted this comment on 28 September 2013 (view all feedback).

video to make it

Good idea. I uploaded File:A Mark of Wholesome Meat (1964).ogv, which has a segment on frankfurter-making between five and six minutes in, along with a two other videos (below) that should spice up the article. I may post more in the future just for Commons, but I thought this batch would be great for the article for now.

• A Mark of Wholesome Meat (1964)
• Coney Island Hot Dogs (1940)
• Dog Factory (1904)

czar ♔ 23:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, even better: File:This Is Hormel (1964) hot dog segment.webm czar ♔ 01:31, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

suggestion re: NC section of hot dog page

The NC paragraph on the hot dog page mentions a NC hot dog vendor that has been in business fir a long time. "The Roast Grill" in downtown Raleigh also deserves mentioning here - it has been in continuous operation since 1940. They serve only hot dogs "Carolina style" (no ketchup allowed!) & 7 oz glass bottled Coca-Colas. Because of its proximity to the state capital, it is not unusual to see state legislators & construction workers side by side eating their hot dogs at the counter. 174.228.1.156 (talk) 07:47, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Have any good reliable, secondary sources? czar ♔ 08:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2014

Please do not enter a hotdog as a sandwich. Saying it is like a sandwich is more appropriate to call it similar to a sandwich. I sandwich is always prepared in a bun while technically hotdogs are prepared on a bun.

216.171.40.204 (talk) 01:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

The references on the first sentence of the article would indicate that this has been settled already czar ♔ 02:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Redirect from "tube steak"

A tube steak is not a hot dog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.65.91.78 (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Tube steak is a common nickname for hot dogs where I live. --Khajidha (talk) 13:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Section order

Etymology logically comes before history because it describes the nature and history of the name. From that chronology stems the history. Adding the etymology section after first talking about hot dog's history is like putting the cart before the horse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.206.114 (talk) 10:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe someone should bodly do that? :) Oogles (talk) 10:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2015

72.148.22.224 (talk) 23:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC) A weiner goes into a bun and you then have a "hotdog". Without a bun, you do not have a "hotdog", all you have is a weiner. Do some research before you publish this crap.

There is no request here, just a comment about the article. -- GB fan 23:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Beanie Weenie???

I am from New York (and have also lived up and down the east coast) and have never heard of "Beanie Weenies." As far as I know, this typical children's dish is commonly called franks and beans. Please add that to the sentence in the first paragraph, as another alias, if you will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.174.75 (talk) 14:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

How far down the East coast have you lived, because here in NC it is always called beanie wienies. Not to mention the fact that the Van Camp's brand is "Beanee Weenee", and I find it hard to believe you never saw them in a store. --Khajidha (talk) 18:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I too, only having been born on east coast, and lived/worked/traveled along it. Been other places too. I also searched on grocery stores I know only in SE.... lolz.. http://www.harristeeter.com/search.aspx?srchTxt=Beanie%20Weenies

Oogles (talk) 05:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

(I suspect "Vienna sausages") marketing here. IMO. I suspect that what the mean, nothing to do with "hot dogs" tho.

Oogles (talk) 05:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Isnt this what Wikipedia calls "Original research"? 2.26.201.219 (talk) 07:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

It's basically "pork and beans" (with a section of formed, cut 1/2 inch sausage/hot dog) - but it is generally marketed towards children or a cheap meal. Just a manufacturer making up a name. Oogles (talk) 10:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Note while I did source it, in SE USA grocery store chains, etc, I don't think it should be mentioned in this article. It's much more an adaption of "Pork and Beans" (Certainly around before the hot dog) than a "Hot dog"Oogles (talk) 10:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Canada; Steamies

I have been living in Canada for a couple years and have noticed the rapid nationwide spread of the Montreal hot dog, commonly known as the Steamie. It was originally a Montreal thing but Smoke's Poutinerie, a nationwide chain, have started a Weinerie and have popularised the Steamie across Canada. I notice now the prevalence of the steamie rivals the regular type of hot dog, perhaps something should be said about it in the Canada section, as it is the predominant trend in Canadian hot dogs.

Can you source or cite it? :) "Steamie" sounds awful, though :p Not that hot dogs are particularly good, but good to be bad, perhaps why the whole dog thing got started. They're producing the sausages, labeled as steamies? I suppose I could spend 80 seconds looking for myself, but I'm getting ready for a Bold re-edit of Entomology :p Oogles (talk) 10:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

still getting ready. Want someone to say "nooooooooo" first. Notably, the sources of things. Oogles (talk) 07:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Etymology

Etymology, genius. unless you're talking about bug parts in franks. 50.46.199.97 (talk) 04:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC) Original earlier accounts need to be placed back. The sources for "hot dog morris" is a NPR (radio broadcast transcript) and a blogger, who claims to have figured out "TAD"s mistake (note years after I edited this to that effect) Oogles (talk) 11:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

For more info, he died in 1907, [[2]] Also known as "Pepper Morris", a negro who often sold franks, from obituary at time of his death. Oogles (talk) 10:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Given the date, it's so wrong. He was a "hot dog" aka "wild man" not necessarily the one who gave any early accounts to the word. Note the obituary is also above. Oogles (talk) 10:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

A total myth --- TAD's (real) cartoon --- was in 1906 - For a "hot dog" in a Madison square garden race. "hot dog morris" aka "Pepper Morris" aka "Wild man Morris" (According to obituary at time of his death) died one year later, and obituary cited as reference, So bad. Need actual sources, not a link to a blog-or his death after which established terms were present. Oogles (talk) 07:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I removed all of "hot dog morris" crap, again, the reference was an obituary. In 1906. Will work on putting the other earliest accounts back another day. Or someone else can, if so inclined Oogles (talk) 07:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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delete references to hot dog being a sandwich. SOURCE: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/11/its-not-a-sandwich/414352/ 165.124.145.186 (talk) 23:33, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

That is not enough to remove the statement. The source even says it can be argued both ways. -- GB fan 00:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Two words vs. one

   Other than what i think i recall as one brief (and onerous to locate) talk contrib in one of the 3 archive pages for this talk page, little (or no) attention has been given to whether "hot dog" or "hotdog" is the more accepted name. Choosing based on the ratio of Google tests of 938k to 529k surely is no worse than flipping a coin (which method we can't rule out having been relied on), so i have no argument with Hot dog being presumably primary when referring to meat, which supports the choice for the article's name.
   But we have Hot dog as the primary topic and Hotdog (disambiguation) the Dab, with Hot dog (disambiguation) and Hotdog being Rdrs -- even tho the G-test ratio 162k to 129 breaks in the same direction when some effort is made to detect the less meat-oriented contexts.
   IMO more to the point, i think our users probably have been more often confused (even if only in the form of marginal distraction) by "Hot dog" being the title of the primary topic but "Hotdog" being the core of the title of the page that sorts out all the encyclopedic-topic senses of either "hot dog" or "hotdog". (IMO, that choice is actually more disturbing, in light of the likelihood that people often are called "hot dogs", when it is their "hotdogging" behavior that's discussed without a space.)
   Where i come down is that

• the current pattern of names offers no advantage, and
• probably serves as a distraction rather than any kind of clarification when anyone notices the contrast, and
• a change will probably be a minor reassurance that all is well, to more users than those who find it a minor disturbance of what they had (with or without awareness) gotten used to accepting or ignoring.

   I oppose speedy action on this, but in the absence of substantial objection, i'll try to remember to follow any further discussion in this talk section and in due time probably announce, here, feeling ready to effect the fix i've implicitly described.
   (Lest anyone be confused, plz recall that Cut and paste moves are disruptive -- and are routinely repaired by undoing them, then doing a corresponding rename -- and the renaming facility works easily (for those with the permission) and does a great job of keeping the record of who contributed what intact and clear.)
--Jerzy•t 07:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is how the 5 largest makers of hot dogs in the US have it on their websites

5. Nathan's Famous http://www.nathansfamous.com - Hot dog

4. Vienna Beef http://www.viennabeef.com/ - Hot dog

3. Kunzler & Company http://www.kunzler.com/ - Hot dog

2. Oscar Mayer http://www.oscarmayer.com/ - Hot dog

1. Ball Park Franks http://www.ballparkbrand.com/ - Hot dog

Then going back and reading this, I am not entirely clear on what fix you've implicitly described. I first read this as you were questioning whether to move this page to hotdog, but I am not sure anymore. -- GB fan 20:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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hot dog is a dog in fire. trut me i know. I'm an expert. thanks a lot rachel. thanks a lot. Karlie.shiv (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

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hi i am work in a food truck and sell hotdogs i know alot about hotdogs i could boost the words on the page

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Etymology?

I'd not seen this article before, but I have a couple of problems with it. First, it says that Frankfurters/franks, wieners, etc. are alternative names for "hot dog". Uh, no. Those are the names for the meat in a hot dog. Second, the Etymology section insinuates that the name came from "accusations that sausage makers used dog meat", but there is no real evidence that that is actually where the name came from. I think it comes from the fact that they nicknamed the dachshund a "wiener dog" -- but I don't have a source for that yet (I haven't started looking). —Musdan77 (talk) 20:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I think your contention that "Frankfurter" and "Wiener" refer to hot dog meat is spurious, and frankly absurd (which meat, exactly?). The sole factor which differentiates hot dog meat is its being in a hot dog. So, no, "Wiener" and "Frankfurter" don't refer to hot dog meat, but to hot dogs. I'm really not sure how you could even bother disputing this obvious conclusion.

On the other hand, I think the article's etymology is popular/folk crap, and I think it's fairly obvious that "Wiener" (a type of sausage, and also a type of dog, named after the sausage) is the etymological source of the name "hot dog". 72.209.208.169 (talk) 15:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

In fact, the German wiki page for Wiener Würstchen explicitly differentiates "a Frankfurter" from the meat which constitutes said Frankfurter, thus definitively disproving your contention at the etymological source. Not that anyone's surprised. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener_Würstchen 72.209.208.169 (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to me that anything you said "disproves" what I said. A WP article can't be used as a reliable source. And if you think that I'm the only one who feels this way see this previous discussion. Maybe it's a regional thing. (I think you should also see this page.) —Musdan77 (talk) 18:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Turkey

change ((turkey)) to ((Turkey meat|turkey))

Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:22, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2017

A hot dog (also spelled hotdog) is a cooked sausage, traditionally grilled or steamed and served in a sliced bun but is not considered to be a sandwich and rather is most often considered to be its own category of food (similar to the way burgers are a recognized independent category of food despite being served in a bun but are not typically considered to be a sandwich).

http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2016/06/15/sorry-merriam-webster-but-hot-dogs-are-not-sandwiches/ 2602:30A:2E0C:C490:F95E:8631:BD64:69B1 (talk) 15:27, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Sandwich?

Why is this called a sandwich? A hot dog bun is not two slices of bread, as defined here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuicePats (talk • contribs) 04:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Because it can be argued both ways. For example, submarine sandwiches, like hot dogs, are often served on one piece of partially-sliced bread. Webster's Dictionary says a submarine sandwich is served on bread "usually incompletely cut into two halves": http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/submarine%20sandwich Lovelovecats (talk) 01:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Not a sandwich according to http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/07/a-hot-dog-is-not-a-sandwich/75362898/ ... chew on that. 184.155.10.215 (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

That is a nice opinion piece. -- GB fan 21:01, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

What's wrong with it being "colloquially referred to as a sandwich" or something along those lines? It's going to be slightly misinformative either way without that information. And besides, that would apply to the whole thing, really, given that a "hot dog" per se is only the cheap sausage that's been put onto/into the bread; plenty of people in my part of the US eat theirs on crackers when they're not at home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.36.236 (talk) 08:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I have restored this, because the historical literature as cited in the entry are clear on the hot dog plus bun being a sandwich. Most latter day interpretations rely on opinion pieces, as seen in the arguments presented above on this talk page. Mayor of awesometown (talk) 20:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

The fact that the were historically referred to as sandwiches by some is already mentioned in part later in the article. Today it seems there that most do not consider a hot dog to be a sandwich, and most that do only seem to have started expressing such a belief after this question became something of a meme, leading me to believe that without the binary question itself to encourage one to contemplate the matter, most would not independently refer to a hot dog as a sandwich. As such, I think a neutral option is best. No citing opinion pieces stating that hot god are not sandwiches, and no referring to hot dogs as sandwiches outside of the historical context. This is a simple edit to make. I believe the sentence in the introduction is perfect with the words "as a sandwich" removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefoxyfox (talk • contribs) 17:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

A hot dog is not a sandwich. A sandwich requires two slices of bread, as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary. As the Atlantic notes https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/11/its-not-a-sandwich/414352/ other non sandwiches include wraps, tacos, burritos, the KFC Double Down and "the drastically misnamed open-faced “sandwich”". They could have added a croissant is not a sandwich, but a bagel could be defined as a sandwich, if "bagel sandwich" didn't sound silly. A hotdog is a hotdog. Thinginblack (talk) 11:33, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Again, nice opinion piece. When you read the whole piece it says that the argument can be made for either opinion. There is nothing wrong with calling it a sandwich. ~ GB fan 14:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, GB fan, it's opinion on both sides, and both views are valid. So, I don't see why it shouldn't say that there are differing views on whether to call it a sandwich (instead of just saying it is a sandwich). --Musdan77 (talk) 05:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I never said it couldn't say there are differing opinions. This has been in response to people saying that it isn't a sandwich. No one (until now) has proposed to add that there are differing opinions. How would you incorporate it into the article? ~ GB fan 10:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

If someone would like to incorporate such information then I don't have a problem with that. But I see no reason to have the words "as a sandwich" in the introduction as they currently are. Clearly many people do not consider a hot dog to be a sandwich, and only very broad definitions of sandwich (such as 'open faced sandwich') apply well to hot dogs. The fact that historically some people referred to hot dogs as sandwiches before the designation "hot dog" existed is already mentioned in the etymology section. I think the most neutral solution here for the time being is to omit "as a sandwich". That way we do not take any specific stance on whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich. --Thefoxyfox (talk) 09:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Smokie

I'm Canadian, and hot dogs (usually sausages in this case, not thin wieners) are also often referred to as 'smokies', could this be added as an alternative name? Hipchic99 (talk) 18:53, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Common Ingredients

Common Ingredients source is 404, and the list added by Shelia1998 is un-sourced. 2602:306:30BC:BC00:E538:512D:5246:A796 (talk) 19:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Changed lead so "hot dog" is first

The first sentence was changed so that hot dog is the first term, followed by "also known as" frankfurter and wiener. Previously, the article read "frankfurter... better known as hot dog". This seemed awkward given that the article title is "hot dog" and not "frankfurter." Indeed, Frankfurter is a disambiguation page, and it names several other sausages known as frankfurters. Roches (talk) 13:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I made some BOLD edits to History

More is probably needed, but it's annoying when the Etymology already exposes that which is "history" as a myth. I could probably take more, but I'll stop where I stopped. Oogles (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

also of note, I also edited this article years and years ago, and Etymology, history, etc - Some of my earliest sources have been deleted in favorable of MORE early sources - that's great - and fine. - Actually that's awesome, what it should be. But the MYTH is in the HISTORY section, after I fought for a REASON for the Myth to be included? *sigh* Anyway, that aside, relationship between baseball and a hot dog (or earlier sources, it wouldn't be a "hot dog" then) is different, maybe a seperate section, just for American Baseball? As the myth already surrounds American Baseball, and the bloggers aren't helping with the perpetuation of it. Oogles (talk) 23:50, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Photographic evidence of a "Hot dog" in a baseball stadium prior to all these dates would suffice. Oh wait, it doesn't exist? oh right. Oogles (talk) 23:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

PRINT would work too, just not a blog from some lady in 2006. Oogles (talk) 23:54, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

It's common sense, why would people want to eat, what they weren't already eating - or had seen before - at a stadium, in their city, when the goal of the owner is to get people to buy tickets and food. Oogles (talk) 00:09, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

You did, however, delete the information about the apparent Coney Island origin of the sausage in a bun by Charles Feltman. This is referred to in the Coney Island history: http://www.coneyislandhistory.org/hall-of-fame/charles-feltman , and dated at 1867 by Jeffrey Stanton, who is writing a book about Coney Island: https://www.westland.net/coneyisland/articles/food.htm , and appeared in a 1957 book: Good Old Coney Island, by Edo McCullough, Fordham Univ Press, p.236 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WGGbhGx003oC&pg=PA236 . This is nothing to do with the 'baseball myth'. I propose to put this back in. Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 17:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

OK, you can, or I'll edit it back in Oogles (talk) 18:39, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Note the source is a book, so have to look at the books source. For now, fine if you want. Oogles (talk) 18:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

(Print- Newspaper) While not 100% reliable even then, can certainly establish dates "Hot dog" are used- - - or "dog (as common name for a sausage) - - those lawsuits still around, where it actually was dog. Ewe. Whatever it is, should have a source that is not a blog drawing on misinformation - unless the blog then references an earlier source. Same with book. But since TAD didn't actually make any cartoon about baseball (at the alleged time) -- lets not credit him with it. Though he did make a TON of other phrases- that are still used today, in no relation to the hot dog. The cats pajamas. Dumbell. For Crying out loud. Oogles (talk) 18:59, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

The person who put in the Thomas Edison short film is brilliant, and shows that "dog" as a term for "sausage" was well in effect. Oogles (talk) 19:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Done. Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

The myth should remain, since it'll crop up all the time Oogles (talk) 18:07, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

1957 - for a book might be a problem, when a cartoon way before that - 50 years earlier - that never existed - doesn't fit, but would have to look at book's sources (which I haven't done) Oogles (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Why are the last few edits that snuck in allowed as "history"? Oogles (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

(and are other myths, describable so in the edits) Oogles (talk) 03:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Well,Peace Makes Plenty, your edits have to go, Those are BS. It was a peace offering, but no, just for the myth of American baseball, ahhhhhhh... lol..... Oogles (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Either, it's word use of the word "dog" , and then a warm dog - or a "HOTDOG". I get that confusion, I truly do. Likely due to lawsuits and mr. edisons films. -- but things that came AFTER that, isn't exactly that, is it? Oogles (talk) 05:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Find the earliest usage in print (an actual newspaper article) when not referring to a dog, (Hey, all these pictures, put a sign "Hot Dog") you can see it's close in years. Note that my early ones were bleeped out in favor of others - all fine. Oogles (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Not for the ref sake, just earlier ones were available. Oogles (talk) 05:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Myth sake, I agree, have a separate section for MYTH, (but are they really called "hot dogs" now in Germany?) but the fact that MANY of the myths (especially in USA and surrounding American baseball) is based on a cartoonist, where alleged baseball cartoon had a hotdog, yeah, no.... Missing it by a A LOT of years.. So maybe edit frankfurter there..... and find out THAT history. ::::: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oogles (talk • contribs) 05:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Not only that, where did all THE PRINT NEWSPAPER articles go? Guess their not relevant anymore, to what some lady says in 2006. Oogles (talk) 05:53, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Like they couldn't afford Cameras, send a person instead to observe. And shows up in odd ways "they munched on hotdogs during the service". The focus ISN'T on the hotdog. Oogles (talk) 05:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

There's a span of years though, where you can't claim "hot dog" (obviously, prior to this, you could be sued prior to having actual dog in your sausage) Oogles (talk) 06:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

also mass production, emulsified and pre-cooking is important, since hot dogs have used that for some time. I suspect it's quite a bit after "dog" useage, or "hot dog" (as a complete phrase, not a 'hot' dog) (so no cooking is needed to be "safe" to eat, right out of the package) Not sure exactly when, have to see, but, is important to "hot dog" history. Oogles (talk) 05:15, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Place of Origin, should be Germany "Frankfurt-am-Main, Germany, is traditionally credited with originating the frankfurter. However, this claim is disputed by those who assert that the popular sausage - known as a "dachshund" or "little-dog" sausage - was created in the late 1600's by Johann Georghehner, a butcher, living in Coburg, Germany." Dumessie (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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completo

It's called Completo in Chile, not Hot Dog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.161.47.102 (talk) 00:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

add to the history section

A major aspect of hot dogs history includes the rise of food stands and restaurants that helped to add to give hot dogs personality and have them become popular. One of the most famous restaurants being Nathan’s Famous in New York City. The restaurant starting in 1916 by a Polish immigrant Nathan Handwerker, [who] started a nickel hot dog stand. Slowly Nathan’s became one of the most famous hot dog stands in the world, featuring a hot dog eating contest yearly that draws millions to the TV. as well as featuring “restaurants across the globe [and] products in every supermarket in America,” (). Other hot dog stands become icons to regional areas across the United states Portillo's in Chicago, is one example. The founder, Dick Portillo, opened The first Portillo's hot dog stand known as "The Dog House" opens in 1963 on North Avenue in Villa Park. Portillo’s has slowly become an icon to the Chicago land area and slowly seeping out and now being featured in other states around the Midwest. Portillo's also began shipping their food to all 50 states in the US allowing Residents in states outside of Illinois finally have a way to enjoy Portillo's food without taking a long road trip.

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I Thought it would be interesting to add to the hot dogs history section and talk about iconic restaurants that sell hot dogs. Rather than have an abrupt stop that ends with a brief mention of Nathan's Famous founder.

 Not done: Suggested text is purely promotional. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:17, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

References

sandwich

Should say it's a sandwich. Also maybe mention the controversy? Benjamin (talk) 10:39, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

A hotdog is NOT a sandwich. A sandwich is meat, with possibly cheese and other condiments or foods in between two pieces of bread. A hotdog bun is only one piece of bread with a cut in it. And it simply a torn loaf of bread. It’s not a sandwich. Xxjadynx (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

So if you cut or tear the bread all the way through before adding the meats, etc. it's a sandwich but if you leave that tiny, flimsy, prone to tear connection it's not? That makes no sense. It's a sandwich. --Khajidha (talk) 11:30, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Khajidha, Great example. See falafel sandwich. Bod (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your point is there. --Khajidha (talk) 17:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)