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This article needs a breakdown of their product line. Seems too heavily focused on company history.

MSTCrow 17:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Half a decade later, this is still an issue. It doesn't provide any useful analysis about the company. 64.106.112.104 (talk) 21:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

What is really needed!

A history is more imporant than a product line.

I would like to see a reference to Hormel during the civil war and how they were sued for supplying rancid meat the to the military. The vauge "19th Century" history is spotty at best.--Ken 19:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment related to the posting above: I live in Austin, MN (company headquarters) and have worked for Hormel Foods for 32 years. I am reasonably versed in both company history and 'lore'. The writer above ('Ken') is obviously not! George Hormel founded the company in 1891; It is therefore IMPOSSIBLE that he or the company supplied rancid meat to the military during the US Civil War era (1861 - 1865). It should be noted that there remains, to this day, a group of highly disaffected FORMER employees of the company, who were discharged for strike-related misconduct during the infamous 'Hormel strike' (1985-1986). To these folks, this great company remains 'the devil incarnate'--hence a post like the one above...

I have a similar query re distribution and consumption of SPAM during WW2, especially in Britain before America troops were established there.

Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Article's objectivity; or lack of it

How does one register a complaint about the objectivity of an article? As a former resident of Austin who lived through the 1985 strike (with no family connection on either side), I found the characterization of the strike rather biased. Where is the evidence that the wages were "low" at the Austin plant at the time (and compared to what) or that working conditions were dangerous (compared to industry standards, for example)? B sala (talk) 19:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 22:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dinty Moore's thumbprint

The cans of Dinty Moore stew used to have a large thumbprint on the top. When did that begin, and when did Hormel stop putting it on the cans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 18:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

1985 strike

Is it fair to say that they were striking over low wages? Shouldn't it really say that they were striking over the fact that their wages and benefits were being cut? To word it like the workers just got fed up with the conditions doesn't really do justice to the situation. I just feel like the current wording seems biased toward the corporation and not the facts.

Thanks, Rob Shepard (talk) 02:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I have tagged that section for POV - the use of the word "scab" in this context is inflammatory and very POV, thus violating WP:NPOV. I strongly urge rewording as to avoid taking either the company side or the union side... and no businessman would refer to temporary replacement workers as "scabs." 147.70.242.41 (talk) 21:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm new to editing, but I'm trying to get this section more balanced with some information from the No Retreat, No Surrender book. I know someone tried to replace the word "scabs" so we'll see if it lasts. MartyChang (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Added back some changes made to strike section, now with a reference. Removed unreferenced changes made by same anonymous editer who removed attempts to improve NPOV. MartyChang (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I removed unreferenced changes again. Please provide feedback on ways to improve this article or give a reason for your change. MartyChang (talk) 13:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is a current article about the 1980's problems AND problems in 2007 that are NOT mentioned at all in this article. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/hormel-spam-pig-brains-disease?page=1 This link should provide some interesting statistics about Hormel.Mylittlezach (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Animal Abuse section

I am thinking that a reference to this could be made in the 2000s section, but this whole story seems to have much more weight than other parts of the company's history and should be removed. MartyChang (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Product name SPAM™

The product name SPAM™ should be all caps and marked with a ® or ™ symbol. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't have " a ® or ™ symbol" here. This isn't marketing material. --Bobak (talk) 17:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Stagg Chili

It is owned by Hormel. cyɾʋs ɴɵtɵɜat bʉɭagɑ!!! (Talk | Contributions) 03:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposal moved here from Hormel Foods, which redirects here. Fyddlestix (talk) 06:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi there, can we please add Arriba Foods and Bufalo Hot Sauces to the “Hormel sells food under many brands” paragraph to offer a fuller explanation of Hormel's current brands?

https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2005/02/07/daily3.html

http://www.foodingredientsfirst.com/news/hormel-foods-announces-acquisition-of-arriba-foods.html

https://progressivegrocer.com/hormel-acquires-arriba-foods

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/48465/000110465905003307/a05-2554_1ex99.htm

Thank you

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

As these brands are numerous, a listing of them in the lead is impracticable. The brands have been moved to the infobox. They remain mentioned and referenced throughout the article as well. .spintendo⋅⋅) 22:56, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, in the info box, can we please also add these brands, as they are a part of the Hormel portfolio? Austin Blues Bar-B-Que, Burke Foods, Columbus Craft Meats, Country Crock, DiLusso Deli Company, Don Miguel, Dona Maria and Herdez Del Fuerte. Thank you.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 10-MAY-2018

 Implemented .spintendo⋅⋅) 18:48, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, can we please add a new section about the Hormel Health Labs & Cancer Nutrition Consortium?

Proposed text: “In 2015 http://csocialfront.com/all-parties/whitney-port-hormel-vital-cuisine-luncheon#/?gallery=46452&slide=4, the Hormel Health Labs division http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-hormel-vital-cuisine-chemo-patients-20161128-story.html of Hormel Foods launched its Hormel Vital Cuisine™ line of packaged Ready to Eat meals, nutrition shakes and whey protein powders for cancer patients who often experience symptoms such as changing taste buds, lethargy, waning appetite, nausea https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-radio-cancer-nutrition-consortium/, and weight loss during treatment regimens. Because getting a balance of proteins, fats and carbohydrates is vital for cancer patients, the products were developed in conjunction with expert nutritionists, dieticians, oncologists, and physicians from the not-for-profit Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC), an organization comprised of leading cancer research institutions and medical institutions such as the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Mayo Clinic, along with professional chefs from the Culinary Institute of America.” https://www.fb101.com/2016/05/hormel-foods-launches-first-products-certified-by-the-cancer-nutrition-consortium/

http://csocialfront.com/all-parties/whitney-port-hormel-vital-cuisine-luncheon#/?gallery=46452&slide=4

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-hormel-vital-cuisine-chemo-patients-20161128-story.html

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-radio-cancer-nutrition-consortium/

https://www.fb101.com/2016/05/hormel-foods-launches-first-products-certified-by-the-cancer-nutrition-consortium/

Thanks, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 11-MAY-2018

 Not approved The descriptions of these newer products include assertions as to their intended effects (e.g., "for cancer patients who often experience symptoms such as changing taste buds, lethargy, waning appetite,"). Additionally, the claim statements include descriptions of these products as being developed along with prominent medically-related groups (e.g., The Cancer Nutrition Consortium, the Mayo Clinic, etc.). This information does not specify how these groups were "involved", and what that involvement entails ("Because getting a balance of proteins, fats and carbohydrates is vital for cancer patients, the products were developed in conjunction with expert nutritionists, dieticians, oncologists, and physicians"). Language like this is vague about its underlying meanings and associations, and might lead to the reader making assumptions about the derived benefits from a consumption of these products. For those reasons I am declining the edit request. .spintendo⋅⋅) 05:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I will look at better explaining the meanings and associations so that there is no vagueness. Thank you, @spintendo Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Revised edit request

Hello Spintendo, can we please add information about the Hormel Vital Cuisine line of products since it reflects a product line of the business? Thank you.

“In 2015 http://csocialfront.com/all-parties/whitney-port-hormel-vital-cuisine-luncheon#/?gallery=46452&slide=4, the Hormel Health Labs division http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-hormel-vital-cuisine-chemo-patients-20161128-story.html of Hormel Foods launched its Hormel Vital Cuisine™ line of packaged Ready to Eat meals, nutrition shakes and whey protein powders geared towards cancer patients.”

https://www.foodbusinessnews.net/articles/9668-meal-in-a-bottle https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathansalembaskin/2016/06/06/how-hormel-foods-invented-a-new-customer-segment/#533954f3163e Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-MAY-2018

 Implemented Thank you for re-wording this. The revised text is acceptable, and has been implemented. On a side note, please take care not to reproduce other editor's signatures in your own post, as you did above (I fixed it). Thank you! .spintendo⋅⋅) 14:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

I will be sure not to reproduce any editor's signature in my posts - thank you for clarifying and your ongoing patience. If you can let me know the best way to notify you when I am responding or requesting more info (or tell me where to read that info), I will continue to strive to follow all WP guidelines.

Can we please edit the date to 2015 for the Hormel Vital Cuisine as the first products were available in 2015? Thank you

Citing text: "In 2015, we launched Hormel Vital Cuisine™ high-protein shakes and whey powders and made them available for home delivery."

https://www.hormelfoods.com/responsibility/products/products-for-health-and-nutrition/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done In regards to above. .spintendo⋅⋅) 19:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, in the info box, can we please also add these brands, as they are a part of the Hormel portfolio? Thank you.

• El Torito • Embasa • Evolve • Fontanini • Gringo Pete’s • Herb-Ox Bouillon • House of Tsang • Little Sizzlers • Manny’s • Mary Kitchen • MegaMex (Mexican) • Not So Sloppy Joe Sauce • Provena Foods • Sandwich Makers • Valley Fresh

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Mary, the list of brands in the infobox is not meant to be exhaustive. The fact that Hormel produces these brands does not automatically make them suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. WP:NOTEVERYTHING states that articles should not become a complete exposition of all possible details, but rather, a summary of accepted knowledge regarding their subjects. To that end, I believe it would be best if just the major brands or perhaps the most well known brands be included in the infobox. If you could let me know what that list would look like, with no more than 20 or so (the number in the list is at 21 now) I would be happy to post it. Regards, .spintendo⋅⋅) 23:33, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

References

OK, that makes sense. Now I understand the best set up. Thank you. Here are the top 20 brands.

• Applegate
• Arriba[2]
• Chi-Chi's
• Columbus Craft Meats
• Country Crock
• Dinty Moore
• Don Miguel
• Dona Maria
• El Torito
• Evolve
• House of Tsang
• Jennie-O
• Justin's
• La Victoria
• Lloyd's
• Muscle Milk
• Skippy
• Spam
• Stagg Chili
• Wholly Guacamole

Would you be open to eventually dividing the brands (all the Hormel brands, current and past) into divisions and setting up the page the way that Campbell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_Soup_Company is set up? I know that is a longer more detailed request, and am happy to provide support and ideas.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done In regards to above. .spintendo⋅⋅) 19:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply

If you went ahead and set up the draft version, using the Campbells page as a key, making sure to include all the relevant Wiki markup, I wouldn't see a problem with implementing it.

1. The only issue with the Campbells page is they have a citation needed maintenance template affixed to the section. To implement a Hormel version of this setup, there would need to be sufficient references to the products, again, placed in the text as wiki markup.
2. The company itself may be used for their products, but they must be individual references to Hormel web pages which identify the products individually by name (not just a list located on one Hormel webpage)
3. All proposed text must be in your own words. Any text which is insufficiently paraphrased cannot be added.
4. Campbell's has their products differentiated by food group (i.e., soups, sauces, baked goods, etc.)
5. Campbell's has their products limited to 3000 characters (430 words). However, the size of the Cambell's article is 29K bytes altogether. The size of the Hormel article without this proposed added section is already larger than that, at 33K bytes. Thus, using the Campbell's article as a guide, the amount of information added for Hormel products ought to be smaller than Campbell's, to ensure that the article does not become unwieldy in size.

.spintendo⋅⋅) 19:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, thank you. That sounds like a good plan, spintendo. It will take me some time but these guidelines are helpful and make sense. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello, can we please add information about how certified master chef Ron DeSantis helped develop Hormel Vital Cuisine™ line of products since it reflects the product line history? Thank you.

Suggested text: “Certified master chef Ron DeSantis helped develop the product line.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-hormel-vital-cuisine-chemo-patients-20161128-story.html
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/ruhlman-soul.html?_r=1

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply 25-MAY-2018

 Implemented

According to the Tribune source, the products were developed by 3 separate groups working at different times.

Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge. Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture wherewithal, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC) offered the nutritional framework.

It would seem that if you mention one you would need to mention them all in order to avoid placing the label of co-creator on any one group over another. But the article is about Hormel, not about CNC or Mr. DeSantis, so how best to word it? I believe the best way has already been said by Ms. Painter at the Chicago Tribune; her quote above was ultimately used. That might deflect concerns that the name-dropping of the chef is promotional, because it mentions everyone equally.  .spintendo  19:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

References

That is good wording, thanks Spintendo. I went ahead and suggested in a new edit request to still possibly add the chef's title since it is such a rarity.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

Hello, in the infobox can we please update the information to reflect more current statistics? Thank you.

Suggested text: “Market cap $18.1 billion (May 2017)

Employees 21,100 (May 2017)

Sales $9.51 billion (May 2017)”

https://www.forbes.com/companies/hormel-foods/

http://fortune.com/fortune500/hormel-foods/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Reply

? Clarification needed. These figures should come from the company itself. Forbes is a WP:PUS. Do you have a link from Hormel to the info that we can use? Please advise. .spintendo  19:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure. Would this revised suggested text possibly work?: “Employees 21,100

Net Sales $9.17 billion”

On page 5 of the eproxymaterials document, Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Snee says, “I would like to thank our more than 20,000 inspired employees”….

On page 14 of the eproxymaterials document, the Net Sales Dollars in billions for 2017 is cited as 9.17.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit

Hello, can we please add that Ron DeSantis carries the prestigious title of certified master chef – which is the highest level of certifiable achievement that only 61 chefs had back in March 2006?

There are so few master chefs in the United States. In the paragraph with Hormel Vital Cuisine™ line of products, this would explain his culinary background and ties as they relate to the product line’s history. Thank you.

Suggested text: “The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture wherewithal, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework." DeSantis is a certified master chef.”

https://www.acfchefs.org/ACF/Certify/Levels/CMC/ACF/Certify/Levels/CMC/

https://www.acfchefs.org/ACF/About/Overview/ACF/About/Overview/

https://www.acfchefs.org/ACF/About/Media/Releases/Releases2010/ACF/About/Media/Releases/2010/pr100311a.aspx

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-hormel-vital-cuisine-chemo-patients-20161128-story.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/ruhlman-soul.html?_r=1

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done .spintendo  23:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

If the article were about DeSantis, sure, but here it's tangental. Another editor added this while I was drafting this comment, and I won't revert that, but let's find a better word than "wherewithal" please. Jonathunder (talk) 23:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Does "culinary expertise" possibly work instead of "wherewithal"? Or perhaps just "expertise" instead of wherewithal? Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:03, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

If "expertise" is what is meant, yes. "Wherewithal" is not a common word and it often means money. Jonathunder (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying and working on the phrasing for this. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jonathunder: Thank you for changing this, I agree "expertise" works better than the previous word.  spintendo  16:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit

Hello, in the “corporate responsibility” section, can we please update the information to reflect more current statistics? Thank you.

Suggested text: “The company has been included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for the last ten consecutive years.”

https://www.austindailyherald.com/2018/05/hormel-foods-ranked-in-magazine-list/

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/business/hormel-foods-in-top-on-best-corporate-citizens-list/article_19a5716b-47e4-5b71-bb67-2edd3bb6fabf.html

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hormel-foods-ranked-no-16-on-2018-100-best-corporate-citizens-list-300643755.html

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

 Declined per WP:PEACOCK. .spintendo  00:20, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

Would a different approach possibly work? Since this line was already published: "The company has been included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for the last seven consecutive years.[44]" on the page, would changing the language to the below possibly be more appropriate since the new sentence updates how many years the company has been on the list? Thank you.

Suggested text: ““From 2008-2018, the company was included in the 100 Best Corporate Citizens List compiled by Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine.” Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

Hello, for the first intro paragraph, can we possibly please add text to better reflect the business operations? Thank you. Suggested text: Hormel Foods Corporation is a Fortune 500 American food company that makes meat and food products that are sold in more than 80 countries around the world. Hormel operates its food businesses in four segments: grocery products, refrigerated foods, Jennie-O turkey store, and International. Hormel’s headquarters are in Austin, Minnesota.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply quote box with inserted reviewer decisions and feedback 10-JUN-2018

Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each request.  spintendo  16:30, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

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and food products
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that are sold in more than 80 countries around the world.
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Request edit

Hello, for the first paragraph, would it possibly work to update the text to better reflect the business operations? Thank you. Suggested text:

Hormel Foods Corporation is an American food company that produces meat and food products and is based in Austin, Minnesota. The company was founded as George A. Hormel & Company in Austin by George A. Hormel in 1891. It changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1993. The company is listed on the Fortune 500.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done  spintendo  00:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hormel-foods-livestock-abuse/hormel-stops-operations-at-supplier-farm-after-video-shows-animal-abuse-idUSKBN15F2MW

Hello, for the allegations of animal abuse paragraph, can we possibly update the “In response, Hormel suspended its buying from the supplier.” text to better reflect Hormel’s responses and business operations? Thank you. Suggested text:

"In response, in January 2017, Hormel suspended operations at the Maschhoffs Oklahoma pork supplier farm after claims pending Hormel’s own third-party investigation https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/after-video-surfaces-hormel-stops-taking-pigs-from-supplier-owned/article_5e0a0602-bb52-53af-9da2-a253b8e28b72.html that pigs were being abused."https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hormel-foods-livestock-abuse/hormel-stops-operations-at-supplier-farm-after-video-shows-animal-abuse-idUSKBN15F2MW — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello-Mary-H (talk • contribs) 18:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC) Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-JUN-2018

Comparison of texts

Text as it now appears in the article	Text as it would appear after being changed.
In response, Hormel suspended its buying from the supplier.	In response, in January 2017, Hormel suspended operations at the Maschhoffs Oklahoma pork supplier farm after claims pending [sic] Hormel’s own third-party investigation that pigs were being abused.

1. The proposed sentence does not read very well. I'm not sure how this was originally suppose to be worded, but it does seem like it may have been two sentences which somehow were combined into one.
2. This information is nearly 18 months old, and doesn't appear to be an update in the classical sense of the word. If in fact this investigation is still running, I don't see how this better reflects Hormel's responses and business operations, unless the model being emulated here is a glacier. This information would be valuable in a paragraph which explained the issues in depth, focusing on the event and its resolution. Please advise if there are any more recent sources of information which could be applied here. Thanks! spintendo  03:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

edit request

Hello, in the infobox can we please update the information to reflect more current statistics? Thank you.

Suggested text: “Employees 21,100

Net Sales $9.17 billion”

On page 5 of the eproxymaterials document, Chairman of the Board, President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Snee says, “I would like to thank our more than 20,000 inspired employees”….

On page 14 of the eproxymaterials document, the Net Sales Dollars in billions for 2017 is cited as 9.17.

https://csr.hormelfoods.com/about-this-report/data-summary/

http://eproxymaterials.com/interactive/hrl2017/

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply 20-JUN-2018

 Done The employee count for 2016 has been entered into the infobox.  spintendo  22:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

Hello, for the animal welfare paragraph, would it work to update the text to include a noted livestock expert? Thank you. Suggested text:

“In 2010, the Colorado State University livestock science professor Dr. Temple Grandin, who is an author, designer of livestock facilities, consultant to the livestock industry on animal behavior, and autism spokesperson, endorsed Hormel’s Austin, Minnesota hog holding facility design as being “as good as it gets.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello-Mary-H (talk • contribs) 13:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

http://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/behavior-welfare/animal-welfare-expert-lauds-hormel-foods-0722

http://www.grandin.com/professional.resume.html

https://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/temple-grandin

https://www.ted.com/speakers/temple_grandin

https://www.c-span.org/person/?templegrandin

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The problem with this information is that Ms. Grandin's POV of this facility comes from being given a tour of it as a guest, and not as any kind of investigator, where her observations of the facility would require more of a critical eye. Although Ms. Grandin is a noted expert in this field, her statements need to be weighed against her potential conflict of interest. Her relationship with Hormel of "more than 10 years" does not help in this regard. Additionally, the reference for this information comes from an industry-related source having no motivation to publish anything untoward about its covered subjects.  spintendo  16:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Notes

Request edit

Hello, for the animal welfare paragraph, would it work to update the text to include info and a comment from the paid livestock expert Temple Grandin? Thank you. Suggested text:

“Dr. Temple Grandin is a livestock industry proponent of non-reversal movement, nonslip flooring and circular corrals. Grandin’s writing on the Behavioral Principles of Livestock Handling was published in 1999 by Professional Animal Scientist, a science based, peer reviewed publication for the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists. Grandin is also a paid consultant to the livestock industry on animal behavior, Colorado State University professor, author, and autism spokesperson. During a tour at Hormel in 2010, Grandin publicly commented on Hormel’s Austin, Minnesota hog holding facility design as being “as good as it gets.” At the time of the quote, Grandin reportedly had a 10-year relationship with Hormel.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/01/26/Autistic-author-to-talk-in-Adrian-on-humane-treatment-of-animals.html https://www.provisioneronline.com/articles/92767-house-ag-committee-rips-gipsa-proposal-1

http://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/flight.zone.html

https://www.professionalanimalscientist.org/

https://www.slipnot.com/safety-guidelines-livestock-holding/

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/12/9132717/temple-grandin

http://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/behavior-welfare/animal-welfare-expert-lauds-hormel-foods-0722 http://www.grandin.com/professional.resume.html https://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/temple-grandin https://www.ted.com/speakers/temple_grandin https://www.c-span.org/person/?templegrandin https://www.hormelfoods.com/newsroom/press-releases/temple-grandin-praises-hormel-foods-hog-holding-facility-design/

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I've noticed that you've increased the information and added new references, however, you haven't placed the references within the text, which needs to be done. That may be because none of these references mention her quote that you'd like included in the article. What we need is a reference where the quoted material is mentioned, and that reference needs to be placed within the proposed text. The reference you've given from the Toledo Blade is the best of all of them, but it does not mention the quote you want included.  spintendo  22:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Request edit

Hello, for the animal welfare paragraph, would it work to update the text to include a comment from the (paid) livestock expert Temple Grandin? Let me know if I can/should provide other links or format the request differently. Thank you. Suggested text:

“Dr. Temple Grandin is a livestock industry proponent of non-reversal movement, nonslip flooring and circular corrals. Grandin’s writing on the Behavioral Principles of Livestock Handling was published in 1999 by Professional Animal Scientist, a science based, peer reviewed publication for the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists. Grandin is also a paid consultant to the livestock industry on animal behavior, Colorado State University professor, author, and autism spokesperson. During a tour at Hormel in 2010, Grandin publicly commented on Hormel’s Austin, Minnesota hog holding facility design as being “as good as it gets.” </ref>https://www.provisioneronline.com/articles/92767-house-ag-committee-rips-gipsa-proposal-1</ref> At the time of the quote, Grandin reportedly had a 10-year relationship with Hormel.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

References

The additional reference you've given from Provisioner Online clearly states at the bottom of the entry that the source is Hormel Foods. What is needed is a source referencing this which originates from outside of their sphere.  spintendo  14:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 19-JUN-2018

Here is the proposed draft template for the page with suggested edits (deleted copy) to the too extensive history section. The management section has new copy and sources. Thank you.

Extended content

History The company was founded as George A. Hormel & Company by George A. Hormel in 1891. In 1993, the name was changed to Hormel Foods. Hormel was a Buffalo, New York native who worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. Hormel’s travels took him to Austin, where he borrowed $500 and opened a meat business with a partner, Albert Friedrich. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own[7]:5-7 in an old creamery building on the Cedar River. To make ends meet, Hormel continued to trade in hides, eggs, wool, and poultry and was joined by his brother, Benjamin. Hormel’s team of six men slaughtered and sold 610 head of livestock. By 1893, the increased use of refrigerator cars and greater efficiency forced smaller businesses to collapse. Hormel brothers Herman and John joined in 1893, and processed 1,532 hogs. In 1903, George Hormel added a three-story hog-kill, a two-story beef-kill, an annex, an engine room, a machine shop and a casing production department.[8]:64-65 A patent was registered with the U.S. Patent Office for the Dairy Brand name. Distribution centers opened in St. Paul, Minneapolis, Duluth, San Antonio, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, and Birmingham and George Hormel started exporting products to England.[8]:68 By 1910, Hormel products routinely appeared in national magazines.[8]:77 The company developed a procedure to recycle its waste water by daily evaporating up to 9,000 gallons of water, leaving a syrupy liquid which was dried to produce a commercial fertilizer. In 1915 Hormel began selling dry sausages under the names of Cedar Cervelat, Holsteiner and Noxall Salami.[8]:79 Hormel bought Alderson's Mill and began selling Hormel Peerless Minnesota flour nationwide.[8]:85Hormel joined the World War I effort. George Hormel's son Jay C. went into military service[8]:84 and by the end of the war, exports were 33% of the company's annual volume.[7]:40 In 1921, Jay Hormel returned from his WWI service and uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over ten years. This embezzlement scandal incentivized George Hormel to arrange more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and continuing to develop new products.[7]:90-103  In 1929, the company expanded to eight new structures; the main office tripled in size.[7]:61-62 Hormel’s production increased to aid in World War II and 65% of Hormel’s products were purchased by the U.S. government by 1945.[8]:77-78 The company greatly expanded its international business in Ireland, The UK, Canada and Venezuela. Brand debuts, product line and acquisitions Hormel's portfolio of brands is varied and includes: 1926: the company introduced America's first canned ham, Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham 1928 Hormel’s chicken product line debuts[8]:116-120  1938: Dinty Moore beef stew - created by Ryen "Gunns" Gunning is available 1936 Hormel Chili launches 1937 Spam  [8]:158-159 debuts 1947 the Fremont Packing Company is acquired[8]:233-234 1961 Little Sizzlers line of sausages [7]:119 is introduced 1963 Cure 81 hams[7]:118 are first sold 1984 Frank 'n Stuff brand of stuffed hot dogs [13][15][16][17][18] launch 1985 Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce[13] is first sold 1986 acquired Jennie-O Foods[12] and began an exclusive licensing arrangement to produce Chi-Chi's brand products.[14]  1987 Top Shelf line of microwavable non-frozen products is introduced 1988 purchased Chicken by George, created by former Miss America Phyllis George. Also, microwave bacon is introduced.[7]:193- 2001 acquired The Turkey Store, and combined the business to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.[21]  2004 Jennie-O Turkey Store Oven Ready turkey launches. 2008 the New York Times, "SPAM Turns Serious and Hormel Turns Out More," article detailed an overwhelming spike in the demand for SPAM, perhaps due to the flagging economy.[25]  2009 Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte create the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[26] Brands included in the venture are Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.[27]  MegaMex Foods, a joint venture of Hormel Foods and Herdez del Fuerte, acquired Don Miguel Foods, a leading provider of branded frozen and fresh authentic Mexican flavored appetizers, snacks and handheld items.[29] 2011 Hormel Foods also acquired Fresherized Foods, makers of Wholly Guacamole, as part of their MegaMex joint venture.[31] 2012 the Spam brand celebrated its 75th anniversary with the introduction of Sir Can A-Lot™, its first ever campaign spokescharacter.[32] 2013 Skippy was purchased-the best-selling brand of peanut butter in China and the second-best-selling brand in the world—from Unilever for $700 million; the sale included Skippy's USA and China factories.[33] 2015 Hormel acquired natural and organic meat processing firm Applegate Farms for around $775 million.[34] The company was named to the Human Resource Campaign Foundation's Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality.[36]  2015 the Hormel Health Labs division of Hormel Foods launched its Hormel Vital Cuisine line of packaged ready to eat meals, nutrition shakes and whey protein powders geared towards cancer patients and made available for home delivery. The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework."[38] 2016 Peak Rock Capital purchased the Diamond Crystal Brands Inc. unit, purchased by Hormel in 2002 for $155 million from Imperial Sugar.[39][40] In 2017, Hormel sold Clougherty Packing, owner of the Farmer John and Saag's brands, to Smithfield Foods.[41] and announced it would acquire deli meat company Columbus Manufacturing for $850 million.[42] 1985 strike[edit] In 1985, Hormel workers went on strike at the Hormel headquarters in Austin, Minnesota. In the early 1980s, recession impacted several meatpacking companies, decreasing demand and increasing competition which led smaller and less-efficient companies to go out of business. To keep plants from closing, many instituted wage cuts. Wilson Food Company declared bankruptcy in 1983, allowing them to cut wages from $10.69 to $6.50 and significantly reduce benefits. Hormel Foods had avoided such drastic action, but by 1985, pressure to stay competitive remained.[19] Workers had already labored under a wage freeze and dangerous working conditions, leading to many cases of repetitive strain injury. When management demanded a 23% wage cut from the workers they decided to begin the strike.[20] It became one of the longest strikes of the 1980s. The local chapter of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, Local P-9, led the strike, but was not supported by their parent union. The strike gained national attention and led to a widely-publicized boycott of Hormel products. After 10 months, the strike ended in June 1986. Corporate responsibility[edit] Suggest a New “Key Executives Timeline” section, under Corporate Responsibility Suggested wording: 1891 to 1929, George A. Hormel </ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=Suu9yUKdA8IC&pg=PA624&lpg=PA624&dq=jay+hormel+president&source=bl&ots=vKRjUQNNHW&sig=b24IUXUTnYH6Kp8FTbiNu80MaiI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiorIr5_drZAhVh7YMKHT68ARYQ6AEIkwEwEA#v=onepage&q=jay%20hormel%20president&f=false</ref> 1929 to 1946, Jay C. Hormel</ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/09/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-foods-ceo-oct-30-snee-to-take-over/ is company president</ref> </ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=Suu9yUKdA8IC&pg=PA624&lpg=PA624&dq=jay+hormel+president&source=bl&ots=vKRjUQNNHW&sig=b24IUXUTnYH6Kp8FTbiNu80MaiI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiorIr5_drZAhVh7YMKHT68ARYQ6AEIkwEwEA#v=onepage&q=jay%20hormel%20president&f=false</ref> 1931 Jay C. Hormel instituted the Annual Wage Plan which paid employees weekly and guaranteed 52 weeks' notice before termination of employment.[8]:67  1933 workers, led by itinerant butcher Frank Ellis, formed the Independent Union of All Workers and conducted one of the nation's first successful sit-down strikes; the union would later join the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO, later AFL-CIO).[9][10][11] 1938 "Joint Savings Plan" allowing employees to share in the company proceeds is instituted.[8]:150-153 1946 to 1954 H.H. Corey</ref>https://www.postbulletin.com/football-was-part-of-h-h-corey-s-life/article_66c59291-c7c1-5855-b8a5-3464773d711d.html</ref> is president </ref>http://ourpresidents.tumblr.com/post/60268595284/during-world-war-ii-of-course-i-ate-my-share-of</ref> and CEO </ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1964/12/08/hormel-earnings-advance-sharply.html</ref> 1941 after reaching sales of $75 million, The Hormel Foundation was started to provide perpetual independence of the company, act as trustees of the family trusts and to start and fund The Hormel Institute, a research unit at the University of Minnesota.[8]:301-304  1955 to 1962 R.F. Gray is president and CEO</ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/09/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-foods-ceo-oct-30-snee-to-take-over/</ref> </ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1964/12/08/hormel-earnings-advance-sharply.html</ref> 1959 Hormel was the first meatpacker to receive the Seal of Approval of the American Humane Society for its practice of anesthetizing animals before slaughter.[8]:270 1968 to 1972 M.B. Thompson is CEO</ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/09/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-foods-ceo-oct-30-snee-to-take-over/</ref> </ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1972/01/27/archives/chief-executive-elected-at-hormel-meat-concern.html</ref> 1972 to 1981 I.J. “Jim” Holton is CEO</ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2012/04/holton-services-set-for-sunday/</ref> </ref>http://mower.mngenweb.net/clip/holton_i.htm</ref> </ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1972/01/27/archives/chief-executive-elected-at-hormel-meat-concern.html</ref> 1981 to 1995 Richard Knowlton is CEO</ref>http://www.ci.austin.mn.us/boards-commissions/pillars-of-the-city/richard-knowlton</ref> </ref>http://tcbmag.com/honors/articles/2010/2010-minnesota-business-hall-of-fame/richard-knowlton</ref> 1995 to 2006 Joel W. Johnson is CEO</ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=564763&privcapId=1514043</ref> 2004 Company president Jeffrey M. Ettinger introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.[12] 2006 to 2016 Jeffrey Ettinger is CEO</ref>https://progressivegrocer.com/snee-succeed-ettinger-hormel-ceo</ref> </ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=279086&privcapId=279042</ref> </ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/09/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-foods-ceo-oct-30-snee-to-take-over/</ref> In 2007, Hormel Foods released its first Citizenship Overview, formally reporting the company’s corporate responsibility initiatives.[43] The company is included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for nine consecutive years, through 2017.[44]</ref>https://www.hormelfoods.com/newsroom/press-releases/hormel-foods-top-10-100-best-corporate-citizens-list/</ref> In 2008, animal rights organization PETA sent members to work undercover at a pig factory farm in Iowa to investigate allegations of animal rights abuses, then released a video record[22] showing workers treating the pigs cruelly and without regard for animal rights. The factory farm was owned by Natural Pork Production II LLP of Iowa until August 18, 2008, at which point ownership had transferred to MowMar LLP. Prior to this the farm was not a supplier to Hormel Foods. Hormel spokeswoman Julie Henderson Craven, who responded to the PETA video, called the videotaped abuses "completely unacceptable."[23] In their 2007 Corporate Responsibility Report, Hormel Foods stated that all suppliers are expected to comply with several welfare programs to ensure that the hogs purchased are treated humanely. Because of the investigation, several employees of the farm were fired and six individuals faced charges due to the abuse.[24] Also in 2008, Hormel Foods donated funds to The Hormel Institute, which dedicated an expansion to their cancer research facility.[45] The project renovated a building adding research facilities, including space to house the Blue Gene/L supercomputer. The Institute, located in Austin, MN, was the result of a partnership in 1942 between the Hormel Foundation, the University of Minnesota and Mayo Clinic. 2010 to 2018 Steve Binder works as the company’s executive vice president, and has a 38-year career with Hormel.</ref>https://www.delimarketnews.com/meat/hormel-foods-announces-leadership-changes-steve-binder-retires/geneva-hutcheson/thu-02082018-1127/5522</ref> </ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=279074&privcapId=279042</ref> In 2011, Hormel Foods announced a 2 for 1 stock split.[30] The company also made an initial three-year commitment to deliver 1 million cans to in-need families in Guatemala in 2011.[46]  In 2014, Hormel Foods announced promising results of the nutrition research portion of Project SPAMMY.[47]  In 2015, SPAMMY became available for purchase under Title I for U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) feeding programs and Title II for U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) programs under the name fortified poultry-based spread (FPBS).[48] That same year, after an undercover investigation at a Minnesota processing plant, Hormel Foods announced it was bringing humane handling officers to the QPP facility to ensure compliance with its own animal welfare standards. It has also told QPP to provide extra training, enhance compliance oversight and increase third-party auditing. QPP announced plans to strengthen its video monitoring system and improve animal handling equipment.[37] 2015 Deanna Brady is appointed group vice president</ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=35957028&privcapId=279042</ref> 2016 Jim Sheehan is SVP and CFO</ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=279104&privcapId=279042</ref></ref>https://www.wsj.com/articles/hormel-names-accounting-chief-as-cfo-successor-1464177147</ref> 2015 to 2016 James Snee is president in 2015 and appointed CEO in 2016.[1]</ref>http://www.startribune.com/hormel-s-exec-transition-complete-as-snee-takes-chairman-post-from-ettinger/448279763/</ref> </ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=49980966&privcapId=279042</ref> </ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/09/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-foods-ceo-oct-30-snee-to-take-over/</ref> In 2016, ten oak trees called were planted at Hormel’s headquarters by Spruce Up Austin, a local volunteer group. The Presidents Grove of trees honors the company’s first ten Presidents, and marks the 125th anniversary of Hormel Foods.</ref>https://www.austindailyherald.com/2016/10/tree-plantings-honor-hormel-presidents-spruce-up-austin-installs-10-oaks-outside-corporate-north/</ref> </ref>http://www.spruceupaustin.org/wp-content/uploads/HonoraryTreesRegistry.pdf</ref> In February 2018, Tom Day is appointed executive vice president </ref>https://www.delimarketnews.com/meat/hormel-foods-announces-leadership-changes-steve-binder-retires/geneva-hutcheson/thu-02082018-1127/5522</ref> </ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=752253&privcapId=279042</ref> Facilities, production and plants 1962 Hormel constructs a 75,000-square-foot (7,000 m2) sausage manufacturing building in Austin and discontinued the slaughter of calves and lambs.[8]:265  1996 production facilities open in Osceola, Iowa. 2010: Hormel Foods opens Progressive Processing, Inc., in Dubuque, Iowa. The facility was awarded the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design Gold status, one of the first manufacturing facilities to be LEED certified.[28] Allegations of animal abuse[edit] In January 2016, Mercy For Animals released undercover footage of pigs being abused at a Hormel pork supplier. The undercover video shows piglets having their testicles ripped out and tails cut off without any anesthetic, piglets left to suffer from untreated illness or injuries, piglets with no room to move trampling each other in crowded hallways, and mother pigs crammed into filthy gestation crates unable to move.[49] In response, Hormel suspended its buying from the supplier.[50]

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Declined The submitted proposal contains only the suggested additions. COI edit requests must include complete and specific descriptions of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed along with a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it, in the form of "Please change X to Y, and use Z as the reference". Your proposal does not include these required references placed using Wiki Markup. Please ensure that your edit requests are formatted correctly, and that they include all references added using the appropriate markup. This markup should align with the citation system already used in the article. Thank you!  spintendo  22:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 29-JUN-2018 (#1)

Hello, I am trying edits using the "Please change X to Y, and use Z as the reference" protocol as a way to shorten the history section then eventually expand the WP copy in other areas? Please advise if I need to format the references differently. Thank you. Suggested text:

Please delete "Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company based in Austin, Minnesota. The company was founded as George A. Hormel & Company in Austin by George A. Hormel in 1891. It changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1993. The company is listed on the Fortune 500."

Please add: "Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company based in Austin, Minnesota. The company is listed on the Fortune 500."

From the introduction, please move "The company was founded as George A. Hormel & Company in Austin by George A. Hormel in 1891. It changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1995."

to the first history paragraph. Note that is a change since the name change was implemented in 1995, not 1993. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC) updated the source formatting Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 30-JUN-2018 (#1)

 Implemented The name change information was moved from the lead to the beginning of the history section as you've requested. Lead too short maintenance template added to the lead section.  spintendo  03:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 29-JUN-2018 (#2)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Thank you.

Suggested text: Possibly delete: “19th century George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.[8]:5-7 He opened George A. Hormel & Co. in the northeast part of Austin in an old creamery building on the Cedar River. To make ends meet in those early days, Hormel continued to trade in hides, eggs, wool, and poultry. Joining George in November 1891 was his youngest brother, Benjamin, age 14.

To please add: “Hormel was a Buffalo, New York native who worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. Hormel’s travels took him to Austin, where he borrowed $500 and opened a meat business with a partner, Albert Friedrich. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own in an old creamery building on the Cedar River. To make ends meet, Hormel continued to trade in hides, eggs, wool, and poultry and was joined in 1891 by his brother, Benjamin, age 14.” Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Updated the source links so they are formatted correctly. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Source already appears in the article Lund, Doniver (1990). The Hormel Legacy: 100 Years of Quality https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006EVC7K Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Co. ASIN B0006EVC7K

Source already appears in the article https://www.immigrantentrepreneurship.org/entry.php?rec=130 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 05:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 30-JUN-2018 (#2)

  Additional references needed.
I like the requested sentence better. But the non breaking spaces need to be removed. The Lund source is published by the Hormel Company, so another reference for this information needs to be located.  spintendo  03:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 29-JUN-2018 (#3)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes as a way of shortening the history section to allow updates in more recent decades. Thank you. Suggested text: Possibly please delete: “By the end of 1891 Hormel employed six men and had slaughtered and sold 610 head of livestock. By 1893, the increased use of refrigerator cars and greater efficiency had forced smaller businesses to collapse. Two additional Hormel brothers, Herman and John, joined the business that same year, and together they processed 1,532 hogs. The remaining members of the Hormel family moved to Austin in 1895 and joined the growing business. George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.[8]:24-38

In 1901, the plant was expanded and the business was incorporated. The first directors were A.L. Eberhart and the four Hormel brothers: George, Herman, John and Ben. In 1903 George decided to add a three-story hog-kill, a two-story beef-kill, an annex, an engine room, a machine shop and a casing production department.[9]:64-65 The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903. In the first decade of the 20th century distribution centers were opened in St. Paul, Minneapolis, Duluth, San Antonio, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, and Birmingham. George Hormel visited England in 1905 and started exporting products soon after.[9]:6”

To please add: “Hormel’s team of six men slaughtered and sold 610 head of livestock. By 1893, the increased use of refrigerator cars and greater efficiency forced smaller businesses to collapse. Hormel brothers Herman and John joined in 1893, and processed 1,532 hogs. In 1903, George Hormel added a three-story hog-kill, a two-story beef-kill, an annex, an engine room, a machine shop and a casing production department. [8]:64-65 A patent was registered with the U.S. Patent Office for the Dairy Brand name. Distribution centers opened in St. Paul, Minneapolis, Duluth, San Antonio, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, and Birmingham and George Hormel started exporting products to England. [8]:68” Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Updated source links so they are hopefully formatted correctly. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormel#cite_note-dough-8

Source already appears in the article Lund, Doniver (1990). The Hormel Legacy: 100 Years of Quality https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006EVC7K Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Co. ASIN B0006EVC7K

http://www.company-histories .com/Hormel-Foods-Corporation-Company-History.html

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 05:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 30-JUN-2018 (#3)

These look like good changes as well. The issues with them are the following:

1. You have used Wikipedia as a source for a few of the items. These need to carry references from outside sources. If your intent was to mention those sources being mentioned on Wikipedia, lets just leave out the Wikipedia part and instead go straight to the original source.
2. The Lund source; its problems are mentioned elsewhere on this talk page. In essence, we need a more independent source than this.
3. The company-histories.com source I'm not familiar with.

 spintendo  18:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 29-JUN-2018 (#4)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes as a way of shortening the history section to allow updates from more recent decades as well as rounding out other sections. This edit involves removing “1910s” and "1920s" since a per decade breakout of the early history can be consolidated. Thank you.

Suggested text: Possibly please delete: “1910s[edit]" and “1920s[edit]"

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply 30-JUN-2018 (#4)

It's not clear what changes you want to be made here. Are you asking to have these sections deleted or just their headings? Please clarify in a new edit request placed at the bottom of the talk page one of two possibilities:

•  Option A:  The heading and all of the information contained under and within that heading is to be removed

OR

•  Option B:  The heading alone is to be removed, while all of the information contained under and within the heading is to be moved, rather than removed (and if only moved, then where to).

Please indicate in a new edit request placed at the bottom of the page whether you would like Option A or Option B. Thank you!  spintendo  19:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 29-JUN-2018 (#5)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes to the 1920s portion as a way of shortening the history section to allow updates from more recent decades as well as rounding out other sections. Thank you. Suggested text: Please delete: “In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years. The embezzlement scandal provided George Hormel with additional incentive to fortify his company. He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products.[8]:90-103 In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[9]:116-120 Jay C. Hormel became company president in 1929 and that same year the plant was expanded again to include eight new structures and the main office was tripled in size.[8]:61-62”

Please add: “In 1921, Jay Hormel returned from his WWI service and uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over ten years. This embezzlement scandal incentivized George Hormel to arrange more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and continuing to develop new products. In 1929, the company expanded to eight new structures; the main office tripled in size.”

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 30-JUN-2018 (#5)

The same issue arises with this request. You've asked to place information in the article, but you've mentioned Wikipedia as the source, and what we need is for you to list an outside source for this. Please clarify these changes in a new edit request placed at the bottom of the talk page.  spintendo  19:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 30-JUN-2018

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes to the history as a way of shortening the history section to allow updates from more recent decades as well as rounding out other sections. Thank you.

Suggested text: Possibly please delete: “History 19th century[edit]”

Please add: “Early history[edit]” in its place

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Reply 30-JUN-2018

It's not clear what changes you'd like to be made here. There is no History 19th century heading. There is a History heading with a subheading labeled 19th century. Changing one or both of these to Early history is less clear, because the term early is not an objective time reference (i.e., "early" as viewed from when?)  spintendo  19:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

request edit 01-JUL-2018 (#1)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes to the history as a way of shortening the history section as well as rounding out other sections. Thank you. Suggested text: Possibly please delete: subheadings labeled 19th century, 1900s, 1910s,1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s-1970s,1980s,1990s

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 12:35, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 01-JUL-2018 (#1)

Date headings deleted.

 spintendo  13:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit 01-JUL-2018 (#2)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes to the 1920s portion as a way of shortening the history section to allow updates from more recent decades as well as rounding out other sections. Thank you.

Suggested text: Possibly please delete: “In 1921, when Jay Hormel returned from service in WWI, he uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over the previous ten years. The embezzlement scandal provided George Hormel with additional incentive to fortify his company. He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products.[8]:90-103 In 1926, the company introduced Hormel Flavor-Sealed Ham, America's first canned ham and it added chicken to its line in 1928.[9]:116-120 Jay C. Hormel became company president in 1929 and that same year the plant was expanded again to include eight new structures and the main office was tripled in size.[8]:61-62”

Please add: “In 1921, Jay Hormel returned from his WWI service and uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over ten years. This embezzlement scandal incentivized George Hormel to arrange more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees , and continuing to develop new products.

In 1928, the company went public.

In 1929, the company expanded to eight new structures; the main office tripled in size."

Note: The Lund book reference is already used in the Hormel WP article 9 times and was approved and placed there by earlier editors.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply 01-JUL-2018 (#2)

 Insufficiently paraphrased.

The proposed text is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. Text added to the article ought to be phrased using your own words. (See WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE.)  spintendo  13:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Comparison of texts

Text as it appears in the  Proposed Edit Request

Text as it appears in the  Cited Source Material

In 1921, Jay Hormel returned from his WWI service and uncovered that assistant controller Cy Thomson had embezzled $1,187,000 from the company over ten years. This embezzlement scandal incentivized George Hormel to arrange more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees and continuing to develop new products.

When Jay Hormel returned from the war, he rejoined the company and uncovered ... The company's assistant controller, "Cy" Thomson, had embezzled more than $1 million from the company...the embezzlement scandal provided George Hormel with additional incentive to fortify his company. He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products.

References

Company provided sources as references for the article

Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:

1. the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;
2. it does not involve claims about third parties;
3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source;
4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and
5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

@Hello-Mary-H:

• Lund, Doniver A; Krejci, V. Allan (1991). The Hormel legacy: 100 Years of Quality. Geo. A. Hormel & Co.

The problems with using the Lund source for these claims comes from WP:SELFPUB, which is shown on the right. As you can see, #2 deals with the claims which are being presented here. There needs to be an additional source if the Lund source is to cover this claim.

Additionally, I believe that #5 comes into play here. From glancing at the reference section, it appears that there are 51 references listed in this article (this number is actually 50 because one reference is incorrectly listed twice). Of those 50, 18 are to company provided or published sources. This gives a percentage of 36%. But this number is deceptive. For example, the Lund source, which is company published, has 11 separate reference notes scattered throughout the article. Another company published source by the author Richard Dougherty has 18 separate notes within the article. It is clear that the company based sources are doing a lot more work than the other sources are. Taking this into consideration, when we recount the references this way, we can see that there are in fact a total of 83 reference notes placed within the article, from over 49 separate sources. 50 of those note instances originate from Company published materials. That means the percentage is actually 60.24% of the Hormel Wikipedia article being referenced by company published materials. This number is too many for the article to have. Unless this material can be sourced from elsewhere, the information in the article may need to be removed. I have placed the Third-party maintenance template in the article to call attention to this issue.  spintendo  21:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Reference section cleaned up, new counts given

I've cleaned up the references section, which included:

1. Updating any expired links
2. Deleting any expired and unlocated URLs
3. Making sure all references were in one citation style
4. Marking press releases clearly as Cite press release
5. Consolidating duplicate references into a single reference

Because of this cleaning, I decided to recount the totals mentioned in my post above.

Count Before

Number of all the independent sources	32
Number of Hormel published sources	18
Percentage of references which are Hormel	36%
Total number of reference notes used	83
Total number of ref notes linked to a self-published source	50
Percentage of notes used from Hormel sources	60%

Count After

Number of all the independent sources	29
Number of Hormel published sources	14
Percentage of references which are Hormel	33%
Total number of reference notes linked to non-Hormel sources	30
Total number of ref notes linked to Hormel sources	44
Percentage of notes used from Hormel sources	59%

 spintendo  04:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Notes

edit request 01-JUL-2018 (#3)

Is it possible to cross reference this article to the self-published book source? Although I am seeing that this book does cite the Lund book three times, it does offer sources that are more in line with what is needed for the Wikipedia page.

George A. Hormel." (2018) In Immigrant Entrepreneurship, Retrieved July 1, 2018, from Immigrant Entrepreneurship: http://www.immigrantentrepreneurship.org/entry.php?rec=130<

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:40, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean here by cross reference this article to the self-published book source. Clarify? Thnx  spintendo  01:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to go through and find each of the (14) self-published sources and then replace or offer a source that is not self-published instead. Would that work? Thank you.

Number of all individual sources 43 Number of individual sources which are self-published 14 Percentage of sources used which are self-published 33% Total number of reference notes used 74 Total number of ref notes linked to a self-published source 44 Percentage of notes used which are self-published 59% Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

What I mean is, for the (14) sources that appear to be problematic due to the two self published pieces, how much time do I have to provide / suggest sources that fit the WP protocol? Would Thursday be sufficient? There are at least 2 articles that I have come across from mainstream media legitimate sources that are not self-published or in the area / region where Hormel's headquarters are but I need more time and effort to look into this. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Reference list separated by source origin

 H  Hormel published sources

1. "Hormel Foods Announces Chief Executive Officer Retirement And Appointment | Hormel Foods". Hormel Foods (Press release). 6 September 2016.
2. "Data summary - Employee count for the year 2016". Hormel Foods.
3. Dougherty, Richard (1966). In Quest of Quality: Hormel's First 75 Years. Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Company. ASIN B0006BOWUW. OCLC 988269.
4. "Company History". HormelFoods.com. Hormel Foods Corporation. Retrieved 28 September 2015.
5. Lund, Doniver (1990). The Hormel Legacy: 100 Years of Quality. Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Co. ASIN B0006EVC7K. OCLC 23458845.
6. "MegaMex Foods Announces Close of Don Miguel Foods Acquisition | Hormel Foods". Hormel Foods (Press release). 6 October 2010.
7. "Hormel Foods Stockholders Approve Two-For-One Stock Split" (Press release). 1 February 2011.
8. "Hormel Foods Corporation Names James P. Snee President and Chief Operating Officer Hormel Foods". Hormel Foods (Press release). 21 October 2015.
9. "Hormel Foods Earns Top Marks in 2016 Corporate Equality Index". Hormel Foods (Press release). 18 November 2015.
10. "Hormel Foods Announces Chief Executive Officer Retirement And Appointment". Hormel Foods (Press release). 6 September 2016.
11. "Hormel Foods Develops Innovative Protein Product to Address Childhood Malnutrition". Hormel Foods (Press release). 30 March 2011.
12. "Hormel Foods and USDA Collaborate to Help Improve Physical and Cognitive Development in Malnourished Children". Hormel Foods (Press release). 15 July 2014.
13. "Hormel Foods Announces Availability of Fortified Poultry-based Spread For Purchase Under Feeding Programs". Hormel Foods (Press release). 27 October 2015.

  I   Independently published sources

1. Petrison, Lisa (July 21, 1986). "Frank Stuffs Himself on Stuffed Hot Dogs". Adweek. Minneapolis.
2. "Hormel, Herdez Del Fuerte Launch MegaMex Foods". PreparedFoods.com. 2009-07-06. Retrieved 2013-01-03.
3. Lazarus, George. "Hormel Joins Forces With Mexican Salsa Maker". Chicago Tribune. Chicago Tribune. Retrieved 28 September 2015.
4. "Ellis, Frank Alexander, 1888 - 1976 Oral History Interview, November 1974 – Southern Minnesota Historical Center – Physical Collections – Library Services – Minnesota State University, Mankato". lib.mnsu.edu.
5. Ken, Gagala, (1985). "A Wobbly-Bred Campaign in Minnesota - Minnesota Public Radio (rebroadcast from Aug 7, 1997)". Labor Research Review.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
6. ""The Strike is On" on Midday". Minnesota Public Radio. 1985.
7. "Hormel Foods Corporation (HRL)". Yahoo! Finance.
8. "Hormel Foods Corp 2013 Q1 Quarterly Report Form (10-Q)" (XBRL). United States Securities and Exchange Commission. March 7, 2014.
9. "Hormel Foods Corp 2012 Annual Report Form (10-K)" (XBRL). United States Securities and Exchange Commission. December 18, 2013.
10. Donna Craft; Sheila M. Dow (2000). Brands and their companies: New consumer products and their manufacturers with company addresses and phone numbers. Gale Research Co. p. 582. ISBN 978-0-7876-2291-6. Retrieved 8 January 2013.
11. Standard Directory of Advertisers. National Register Publishing Company. 1986. p. 272. Retrieved 8 January 2013.
12. Labor Notes. The Project. 1984. Retrieved 8 January 2013.
13. Hage, Dave; Klauda, Paul (1989). No retreat, no surrender: labor's war at Hormel. W. Morrow. ISBN 0688077455.
14. Rachleff, Peter. "They Say Give Back, We Say Fight Back". DollarsandSense.org. Retrieved 2013-01-03.
15. "Mother Pigs and Piglets Abused by Hormel Supplier". PETA. Retrieved 2013-01-03.
16. "Video shows workers abusing pigs at Hormel supplier". The Austin Daily Herald. September 16, 2008. Retrieved 2013-01-03.
17. Lorentzen, Amy (October 24, 2008). "Charges filed against 6 in Iowa pig abuse case". USA Today.
18. Martin, Andrew (14 November 2008). "Spam Turns Serious and Hormel Turns Out More". The New York Times.
19. "MegaMex Foods Announces Close of Fresherized Foods Acquisition". Reuters. August 22, 2011.
20. Isidore, Chris (January 3, 2013). "Spam maker buys Skippy peanut butter". CNN Money. CNN. Retrieved 2013-01-03.
21. Editorial, Reuters (25 May 2015). "Hormel Foods to buy organic meat company Applegate for $775 million". Reuters. {{cite web}}: |first1= has generic name (help)
22. Na, Danny (November 12, 2015). "U.S. supplier to Hormel tightens controls after animal abuse video". Reuters. Thomson Reuters. Retrieved 19 November 2015.
23. Painter, Kristen Leigh (28 November 2016). "Hormel joins cancer specialists to develop line of ready-made foods for chemo patients". Chicago Tribune. tronc, Inc.
24. Mayle, Mary Carr (April 28, 2016). "Diamond Crystal Brands changing hands". businessinsavannah.com. Retrieved June 15, 2017.
25. Hughlett, Mike (April 29, 2016). "Hormel sells Diamond Crystal Brands to private equity firm in Texas". Star Tribune. Retrieved June 15, 2017.
26. "Smithfield Foods finalizes acquisition of Clougherty Packing from Hormel Foods". Food Business News. January 4, 2017. Retrieved October 5, 2017. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
27. Trotter, Greg. "Spam-maker Hormel to buy premium deli meat company Columbus for $850 million". chicagotribune.com. Retrieved 2017-10-31.
28. Franco, Nick (22 May 2012). "CSR Reporting's Greatest Hits in the Twin Cities". Triple Pundit.
29. "Shocking Undercover Video Shows Piglets Mutilated And Abused At Hormel Pork Supplier". PR Newswire (Press release). Jan 31, 2017. Retrieved Jan 31, 2017.
30. Tom Meersman and Kristen Leigh Painter (Jan 31, 2017). "Animal rights group accuses Hormel supplier of mistreating pigs". Star Tribune. Retrieved Jan 31, 2017.

I don't plan on deleting any of the material from the article anytime soon, so please don't feel rushed about finding sources. Take as much time as you need.

I've listed all the references in the box to the left. The references are split according to whether the source was published by Hormel or not. The box below helps to show which references are doing the work of sourcing in the article. For instance, even though the non-Hormel published column is longer with more entries, 59% of all reference notes in the article do not link to a source from this column. Rather, they link to a source from the Hormel published column. Only 41% of the reference notes link to sources found in the longer non-Hormel published column.  spintendo  03:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hormel vs. Non-Hormel sourcing

H  Number of Hormel published sources	13
I   Number of non-Hormel published sources	30
Percentage of the article's sources which are published by Hormel (self-pub)	30%
Total number of reference notes in the article which link back to  H  sources	44
Total number of reference notes in the article which link back to   I   sources	30
Percentage of reference notes linked to a Hormel-published source	59%