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Reviewer: DavidCane (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

General comments first

--DavidCane (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Metro
    • I think this section starts too early as the first few sentences recover matters dealt with in earlier sections. I suggest it should start in 1949 with the formation of the Metro Office or 1951 when it launched.
    • Is "Oslo Metro" the proper name of the system?
      • That's what its called on maps and schedules in English. In Norwegian it's referred to as 'T-bane', but Ruter has an itch to want to rename it 'metro' in Norwegian too, but that is still not official. Arsenikk (talk) 00:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rephrase first sentence to remove one of the two uses of "launch".
    • Whose idea?
    • 1912 as start of construction disagrees with the incorporation date of 1913 given in the earlier Ekeberg line section.
    • Suggest you explain what "rapid transit" means in this context as distinct from trams and light rail.
      • I've rephrased to "metro standard", which is the term the city planners use for it in Oslo.
    • Try to avoid hanging statements like the one regarding the width profile matching the Holmenkollen line, so that readers don't have to read back to the earlier section to understand what this means. Why is this significant?
    • What plan and whose plan? Is this the same tunnel as mentioned under the Holmenkollen line section?
    • "but large cost expenditures on the first section of the Common Tunnel to Nationaltheatret ceased the plans" awkward wording suggest rephrase. Large costs are not necessarily a problem. I assume you mean the were over-expenditures against the original budget. If so, what was the budget and how much was it exceeded?
    • What is the Common Tunnel? I think the detail of this subject needs to be dealt with in just one place, rather than have snippets dotted around the article.
    • What rebuilding after World War II?
    • Who established the "Metro Office"? What was its role? What were the first plans launched in 1951?
    • Is "three years later" three years after 1951? If so, what happened between 1949 and 1954?
    • Was the Metro only for eastern Oslo (lower case for "eastern" unless this is a specific location)? Where were the four lines going to go?
    • This is the first mention of some of the technical aspects of the trams and light rail. This could be put in earlier.
      • Not really. All it mentions is the technical aspects of the metro which differ from the tramway. There is no point in saying that a street tram in 1900 lacked cab signaling and automatic train protection (they still lack this). What I'm attempting to do is define the metro. Arsenikk (talk) 14:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Who christened the plans "metro standard"?
    • Suggest that you mention that the Østensjø line belonged to the Akersbanerne.
      • By then, the Østensjø Line was part of Oslo Sporveier, as stated in the municipalization section.
    • Which areas were chosen as new suburbs for Oslo and where?
    • "The Lambertseter Line opening as a suburban line from Brynseng to Bergkrystallen on 28 April 1957." seems to be an incomplete sentence.
    • Put "station" after the Brynseng to Bergkrystallen. Where are these places? Was the Lambertseter Line completely within Nordstrand or did it reach the city centre?
    • If the Lambertseter Line opened in 1957 and the Østensjø Line was extended in 1958, how can the Metro be said to have opened in 1966?
    • 16 October of which year?
    • Where did the Grorud line go?
    • Link the Furuset Line here (too remote from the introduction to rely on the link there). Where did this one go?
    • Does "At the same time" mean that the Grorud Line was being extended during the whole of the period 1970 to 1974 or that it was extended in 1970 or 1974?
      • Rephrased. Trying to avoid ending and starting a sentence with "in 1974".
    • Where are Grorud, Furuset, Haugerud, Skullerud, Trosterud, Vestli, Ellingsrudåsen in Oslo?
    • If the Metro did not open until 1966, what was it doing with the rolling stock it received before this date?
    • Which are the western suburban lines? The Metro was said in the first paragraph of this section to be in eastern Oslo.
      • They started using metro stock from the late 1970s, but were not considered part of the metro yet.
    • Be consistent with date range styles - both "1964 to 1978" and "1978-1981" are used.
    • What is the difference between T1000 and T1300? Were the converted cars part of the first 162 T1000.
    • How long are these lines and how much did they cost to build?

--DavidCane (talk) 21:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    See comments above.
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    See comments above
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    There are a couple of images that would be useful - see above. Some captions need work - see above.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    On holdPass

--DavidCane (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the everything has now been seen to. I've added a geographically accurate map which should help people without Oslo geography knowledge easier understand the geography of the lines. A geographical map of the current system (railway, tram and metro) will be made in the near future, although these maps are fairly time-consuming (I've spent more time making that map than copyediting this article, for instance, in part because my laptop is underpowered for such a feat, in part because I wasn't quite sure what I was doing). There are a few things above where I forgot to 'tick', but these have also been done. Arsenikk (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]