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Citations

"The first archaeological evidence of cosmetics usage is found in Ancient Egypt around 4000 BC. The Ancient Greeks and Romans also used cosmetics. The Romans and Ancient Egyptians used cosmetics containing mercury and lead." Could we have some specifics and citations?

I quite agree, and will be trying to find some. In the meantime, all of this article needs expanding and referencing. I've added an expand tag to the article in recognition of the fact. -- TinaSparkle 20:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone, I'm thinking of creating a separate page on Roman Cosmetics and linking it to here. Does that sound okay?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanda naso (talk • contribs) 17:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmetics

What were they used for? Who used them? What did they use? This article needs a lot of work. It's missing a lot of important information. SadanYagci 20:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--- Hi, I'm no editor and don't really know how all the rules and everything of editing works. I just wanted to say that the description of make up in South Asia was absolutely not exclusive to the geisha, and in fact was a tradition centuries before geishas existed. The make up described was common ceremonial make up for the upper class in both Japan and China. It would have been seen on a bride, for example.

Merge proposal

In its current state, this article is so weak that we should merge it with Cosmetics. Most of the content is off-topic or uncited. And most of the citations in the cosmetics articles are to .com sources, which would not be tolerated in better-developed areas of Wikipedia. Yes, the history would be interesting, but this article has been languishing here for 3 years and we still have an anemic report. Also, a lot of the article is not even history, but current practices. I propose that the merge to compress this material down to a good section within Cosmetics. --Smokefoot (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recently detagged, which seems fine. FeatherPluma (talk) 04:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Men and makeup

I would suggest adding more images of men and makeup as it will be more historically accurate. The way the article is written it seems that only women used makeup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.36.182 (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recent History - 20th Century

Cosmetic surgery was not invented that early. Women were not having breast augmentations until the 70's. And medical professionals still have not perfected a technique today. It's a dangerous procedure that is often botched and leaves huge scars. This a dangerous piece of misinformation that may have been written by a criminally insane plastic surgeon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabethdmy (talk • contribs) 15:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Elizabethdmy: I believe this is the content you are objecting to (the only extensive discussion of cosmetic surgery at this article):

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In the time period after the First World War, there was a boom in cosmetic surgery. During the 1920s and 1930s, facial configuration and social identity dominated a plastic surgeon’s world. Face-lifts were performed as early as 1920, but it wasn’t until the 1960s when cosmetic surgery was used to reduce the signs of aging.^[1] During the twentieth century, cosmetic surgery mainly revolved around women. Men only participated in the practice if they had been disfigured by the war. Silicone implants were introduced in 1962. In the 1980s, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons made efforts to increase public awareness about plastic surgery. As a result, in 1982, the United States Supreme Court granted physicians the legal right to advertise their procedures.^[2] The optimistic and simplified nature of narrative advertisements often made the surgeries seem hazard-free, even though they were anything but. The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery reported that more than two million Americans elected to undergo cosmetic procedures, both surgical and non-surgical, in 1998, liposuction being the most popular. Breast augmentations ranked second, while numbers three, four, and five went to eye surgery, face-lifts, and chemical peels.^[1]

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The content is well-sourced and I see nothing there that appears to be misinformation, to constitute a "dangerous" endorsement of cosmetic surgery or to minimize its risks. Perhaps you could be more specific as to the content to which you are objecting. General Ization ^Talk 16:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring not to this content but to content found at the article Plastic surgery, which is linked in the first sentence above, please submit your comments at Talk:Plastic surgery rather than here, and be specific about the exact content you are objecting to. General Ization ^Talk 18:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Suggestions

Hello everyone, I am working on a group project with @Wendy072310 and @Mciverb and wanted to include some suggestions for this page. We noticed that there are some references to the late 1800s in the 20th century section and wanted to create a new section titled 19th century. For this new section, we would move the small introduction about the stigmatization of cosmetics from the 20th century up to the 19th century section. All of the information we will be adding comes from Beauty Imagined by Geoffrey Jones, a British author who holds three degrees from Cambridge University and who currently works as a professor of business history at Harvard University. Using this text, we would include information on how visual awareness increased due to the improvement in mirrors, electricity, advertisements, and commercialization. We will include Tetlow’s 1866 discovery of the non-toxic zinc oxide face powders, the popularization of milks and cold creams and their growth in the mass market, and the invention of Vaseline by Robert Chesebrough in the late 1800s. All together we are hoping to add around 200-300 words. Please let us know what you all think and if you have any suggestions! Thank you! Aebabel (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Elizabeth Haiken. "The Making of the Modern Face: Cosmetic Surgery." Social Research 67, no. 1 (March 2000): 81-97. Academic Search Complete, EBSCOhost (accessed March 29, 2015).
^ Lee Shu-Yueh and Naeemah Clark. "The Normalization of Cosmetic Surgery in Women's Magazines from 1960 to 1989." Journal of Magazine & New Media Research 15, no. 1 (April 2014): 1-22. Communication & Mass Media Complete, EBSCOhost (accessed March 29, 2015).

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Possible Bibliography

Byrd, Ayana, and Lori L. Tharps. Hair Story: Untangling the Roots of Black Hair in America. 1st ed. New York: St. Martin's Press, 2001. This book will add to the narrative of Black hair and the products that are used to upkeep their hair. Additionally, it touches on the companies that began to see Black people as consumers and created products tailored specifically for them. Ford, Tanisha C. Liberated Threads: Black Women, Style, and the Global Politics of Soul. Chapel Hill. 2015. This sources creates an alternate narrative for style as a form of resistance. I probably will not use much of this source, but just for context of cosmetics for Black women during the 1960s. Sarah Schrank. Free and Natural: Nudity and the American Cult of the Body (Penn, 2019). This source has a chapter on the cosmetics industry and the attention to creating cosmetics that are natural looking. Historian1109 (talk) 02:13, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[Elizabeth_Haiken_2000-1] Elizabeth Haiken. "The Making of the Modern Face: Cosmetic Surgery." Social Research 67, no. 1 (March 2000): 81-97. Academic Search Complete, EBSCOhost (accessed March 29, 2015).

[2] Lee Shu-Yueh and Naeemah Clark. "The Normalization of Cosmetic Surgery in Women's Magazines from 1960 to 1989." Journal of Magazine & New Media Research 15, no. 1 (April 2014): 1-22. Communication & Mass Media Complete, EBSCOhost (accessed March 29, 2015).

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