Talk:History of Sufism

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Hi! There are some historical and factual inconsistencies in the section - Sufism in Indian Subcontinent:

a) Khwaja Moinuddin Chisthi (RA) was a disciple of Khwaja Usman Harooni (RA). Yes, in the Sisila-e-Chisth, he is connected to Khwaja Abu Abdal Chisthi. They are five links apart as far as the spiritual genealogy goes. He became quite popular in his life time and his disciples that settled down far and wide in India helped in spreading his popularity. People are known to have visited his mausoleum much before Akbar started visiting his grave.

b) Khwaja Moinuddin Chisthi (RA) came to India first in 1191 AD. He enteredjkkkoo India with 40 of his disciples including his chief disciple -Khwaja Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki (RA). They entered India as Ghori's forces were leaving India after losing their first war with King Prithviraj. Khwaja left Ajmer as per the dictates of the King. He then returned again in 1192 AD and settled down in Ajmer three days before Shihabuddin Ghori defeated Prithviraj. Majority of the historians both during the Delhi Sultanate, Mughal and contemporary times have acknowledge the historical fact.

c) Khwaja Baba Fareeduddin Masood (RA) was born in Kothwaal, in the district of Multan. His family had settled down there long before the Turkish invasions.

d) Khwaja Nizamuddin Auilya (RA) was born in Badayun in present day Uttar Pradesh. He is an Indian by birth. So the question of his coming to India with the Turkish invaders defies all historical logic.

e) The Naqshbandi Silsila and its spread are also inconsistent with what the article suggests.

f) Surprisingly, the Qalandariya order which entered India first via the South has been ignored. The Qalandariya shrines in Trichy, Penukonda and Chikmagalur district are prime examples of Muslim Qalandari Sufis coming to India much before the others.

Thanks, Syed

Sufism in 21st century

It's a little strange that there's no content in this section, as it is probably one of the easiest to write. —Viriditas | Talk 15:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Sufism is generally believed to have originated among Muslims near Basra in modern Iraq, though there is a history of Sufism in Transoxania dating from shortly after the time of Muhammad."

This fact seems unexplained. As if Prophet Mohammad was not aware of gnosticism and it somehow spontaneously appeared later under the rubric of "Islam." Seyyedeh Dr. Nahid Angha, a current Sufi Master and researcher, makes the case here http://ias.org/articles/Practical_Sufism.html that the Ahle Suffa, the Companions of the Prophet who devoted themselves to inner dimensions, mystical application of Islam, were the originators and disseminators of Sufi teachings and schools. Indeed, many Tarighat of Sufism trace their lineage (silsilah) back to the Prophet's Cousin and Son in Law, Imam Ali ibn Abu Taleb.

There are many books and links on the subject of Ahle Suffa. Dr. Angha's among them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbross (talk • contribs) 07:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I had understood that Sufism pre-existed Islam and its origin was unknown. That opening and much of the rest of this article appear to have been dreamed up. I haven't studied Sufism for years, but there are tombs of noted Sufis who died long before Mohammed was born. PLewicke (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Christian origins of Sufism

According to Jenkins' book, "The Lost History of Christianity," the most obvious source for much of Sufism was Middle Eastern Christianity, something which history has forgotten but is the most important component of the first thousand years of Christianity.

After all, Christian monks in the Middle East were already monks, and had the habit of repeating Christian mantras in the hope of reaching a direct knowledge of God. Sufism shows both of these, which are not native to Islam.

If Jenkins is right, and I think he is, an awful lot of books are going to need re-writing, including those by Mircea Eliade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.75.13 (talk) 17:34, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It was one of the sources. After all, Christianity is one of the sources of Islam. I fail to see how "history has forgotten" about Eastern Christianity, all you need to do is pick up any book on the topic in any library. Sufism is the result of syncretism of early Islam with Persian traditions, Eastern Christian mysticism and Central Asian Buddhism. Of course this article isn't aware of this, but that's because the article as it stands is pathetic. WP:TNT suggest itself. --dab (𒁳) 12:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

removal

@Dervishistan Greetings. You recently removed a passage claiming it is disproven. although most given sources are improvised, the leading source (from oxford university press isn't that bad I guess and being published 2016, not that old. the others served to explain the statement given here, but yes, it could be better not to rely on them. However, could you show the disprovement of the claiming former made. The given source "Carl W. Ernst (2003), Tasawwuf [Sufism], Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World" even doesn't make such a strong statement of an alleged concens and the source given here is newer than the one you added. I would suggest to mention, that some claims exist, that Sufism was taken by Christian ascetism into Islam (even if these there just Christian cnoverts) best regards --VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:18, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

remove or merge or do a lot of work

This article is nowhere near as informative as this one: Sufism#History.

Any suggestions? MythicalAlien (talk) 07:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)