Talk:History of Ireland (1801–1923)

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Discussion

I have removed some of the text added by User:RAA. While some of it was good quality, other parts of it were POV and misleading. For example, the "Radical War" and the Chartist agitation of the 1830s in Britain had nothing to do with the aftermath of the 1798 rebellion in Ireland and nothing to do with Catholic Emancipation either. Re the Act of Union, it is widely accepted that Cornwallis used peerages as bribes in getting the act passed and not, as stated, for services to the British state. Re "other encouragments", well if there was no other bribery, ok, lets hear the evidence. Finally, use of the word "revisionist" as a term of abuse is pointless. Its not as if there was once a "correct" version of history that some nasty people have "revised" on us. Let the facts speak for themselves. Also, the Fenians did have a substantial presence in rural Ireland in the 19th century, there's no allegedly about it.

Jdorney 14:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kevrob 18:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Removed description of the Irish Republican Brotherhood as "Jesuit". The Roman Catholic Church, of which the Society of Jesus is an order, condemned membership in secret societies such as the IRB.[reply]

Thanks for that, clearly vandalism, don't know how it slipped in Jdorney 23:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Needs References added tag

This article needs to be referenced! I do not think it right to remove un-referenced material without giving editors the opportunity the chance to reference their material, but it must have some time frame. Regards --Domer48 20:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no canals and the famine

No canals in the 1840s? There were plenty but they didn't run into the worst areas of starvation.Red Hurley 22:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed that, despite the fact it had been left there for what I can only assume must have been a year --Danfly (talk) 19:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References are needed!

I’m a relatively new User, and one of the first things I learned was the material you contribute, has to be referenced. I learned this the hard way, by having whole sections removed on me. As the Tag states at the top of the Article, editors would be well within their rights to turn this article into a stub. I would be willing to take on sections of this article, but would need some support. Regards --Domer48 18:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I've been trying to find sources supporting some of the claims. I can't seem to find one backing this one though: The financial cost of such events, political backlash and concerns for the safety of the subjects of Ireland must also have been paramount. I'll try looking through some books rather than the internet, but that statement may need to be altered. --Danfly (talk) 15:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reliablility of the famine section

So far I have found 2 factual inaccuracies in the famine section. This has led me to seriously question its reliability. If anyone else has an interest in improving this article I suggest you look at this section in particular --Danfly (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename as political history?

It's a good article but I don't see much here on economic history, science and steady emigration (not just during the famine).86.42.221.134 (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, nothing on the industrial revolution or the economy. It's the perfect angle if you're a left wing sociology lecturer in Dublin. It needs broadening to what was going on, starting with some statistics: http://www.ssisi.ie/ .PatrickGuinness (talk) 11:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So fix it. This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. --Tóraí (talk) 11:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Irish history series

I have opened a discussion on a reorganisation of the series of articles dealing with Irish history at Talk:History of Ireland#RFC: Irish history series. --RA (talk) 23:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1925 Boundary deal

I don't agree with this: "Initially, Northern Ireland comprised the north-east six counties of Ulster, while the remaining twenty-six formed the Free State: on receiving the report of the Boundary Commission, the Heads of Government declined to make any change to this arrangement." Firstly it's after 1923, and the report was shelved anyway. The deal was done before the report was produced; in effect the Free State's share of debt was waived and the boundary was unchanged.PatrickGuinness (talk) 15:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The phrasing is poor, but the history is accurate. The setting up of the Boundary Commission was a part of the Treaty (and hence part of pre-1923 history), and the outcome of the Boundary Commission was that the border was essentially unchanged. I recommend a re-write, preferably with a citation. Scolaire (talk) 20:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done, and with the first citation in that section.PatrickGuinness (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good man! Scolaire (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sucessor polities and their flags

The infobox is currently showing 2 successor polities, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland (1921-22), both with Union Jack flags. NI has its own flag, used everywhere else in Wikipedia, and I suspect Southern Ireland had a flag other than the Union Jack, though I don't know what it was, and the (rebel) Irish Republic (1919-21) should probably also be included in the successor polities (unless we skip the two intermediate Southern polities and link straight to the Irish Free State, which I think would probably be a mistake). I may eventually try a fix myself, but I'd prefer to hear other opinions first, especially about the flag of Southern Ireland. Tlhslobus (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be so sure. The Ulster Banner wasn't designed until 1923. And I agree, the Irish Republic could be included as well since after 1919 it controlled much of Ireland, while other parts were controlled by the UK. Rob984 (talk) 23:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-neutrality

1801 -1923 was a period of Union when Ireland was an equal member of the UK with the same political and legal rights as England, Scotland and Wales. To describe this as a period of "British rule" and then to exaggerate what actually happened during this period (other than the Famine and the IRA conflicts at the end of the period, Ireland itself was largely at peace during the Union), is egregiously non-neutral, probably the worst case of non-neutrality I've encountered on here. Jonathan f1 (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting this article

Opening a discussion on the NPOV board. Jonathan f1 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The title

The title should be changed to "History of Ireland (1801-1922)" to suit the article. 2401:D800:F191:9C67:BD85:F3D9:A880:91CA (talk) 06:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]