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Nurses Ball

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I would like to see an article on the event, not just a single sentence about its demise. NBK1122 (talk) 00:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?

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Is there any good reason why this should be a separate article from General Hospital? JamesBWatson (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supercouple concerns

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Please use this section to discuss concerns of included "supercouples" - the Robert and Anna entry, while might not have been there in the past, is sourced. I see no reason for it to be removed. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 22:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If it is sourced, I see no reason why it shouldn't be included.Caringtype1 (talk) 23:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The concern is that Robert and Anna may not have been together as a supercouple specifically between the years of 1980 and 1989. However I still believe they should remain, while the article is organized by decade per se, everything didn't happen in black and while between decades. I think the point being made is that Luke and Laura were the first supercouple and their success led to other couples being called that, etc. Robert and Anna were intertwined throughout 70s-90s, I think they are relevant. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 00:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that and that there isn't any other place on the article where we mention super couples, they should stay.Caringtype1 (talk) 01:12, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how to do this. But this is the HISTORY section and it is referring to the history of 1980-1989. Robert and Anna were not even a couple, much less a supercouple at this time. I honestly don't think they are a supercouple as they were together only 6 months but I get they were referenced by a source (as have many other GH couples). I personally think they should be added in the next paragraph "The Transition (1990-99"). This is when the romantic pairing of Robert & Anna occurred. In this section, it stated that Sonny & Brenda were believed to be GH's last supercouple. For some reason, that is gone now too. I totally believe L&L, R&H, F&F, D&A and S&B were GH's only supercouples. But if you really feel like you need to have R&A included, it should be stated in the CORRECT HISTORY period (1990-99). Otherwise, wikipedia is INCORRECT. And then I'm sure we'll have all sorts of people requesting their couple be added. Signed OldGHFan (Again, not sure how to do this).

I disagree - there are full sourced articles of supercouples that occurred after Sonny and Brenda, I believe it was even myself that removed that line because it was incorrect and unsourced. And to Caringtype's point, this section is where supercouples of the era are discussed. Anna and Robert didn't happen years before or after, they were in the 80s, maybe a little before and/or a little after. Anna left in 1992 so I don't think it's vitally important to the 90s versus late 80s. Also I feel this article is pretty under construction and the organization could be better. I've been working on it now and then for a while now. Some sections are 95% plot while others go into more detail on what was going on behind the scenes and impact/reception wise. There are points said that cross the turn of the decades, I don't see each section as having to be black and white those specific years. Once the article is in a better place, this could be a moot point. I really don't see a reason to remove it, if anything it's a matter of opinion, and there are sources so I think it should stay. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 02:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. But if the article is not about the HISTORY of GH in chronological order, then why not list every supercouple that has been mentioned as a supercouple. Steve & Audrey, Alan & Monica, Rick & Lesley, Jake & Rose, Nikolas & Emily, Stone & Robin, Sonny & Carly, Jason & Sam, Jason & Liz, Liz & Lucky, Spinelli & Maxie, Dante & Lulu, Scotty & Laura, Scotty & Heather, Joe & Heather, Jeff & Anne, AJ & Carly, Kevin & Lucy, Jax & Brenda, Patrick & Robin, Jason & Robin, Jason & Courtney, and on and on and on.

You get the point. So, my point is why are Robert & Anna singled out to be a supercouple in the 80s history section? Can't there be a list of 90s supercouples and beyond? Because really, the 80s supercouples were in a class by themselves. They were all created by Gloria Monty. They were lead couples. And they kept GH #1. No other couples can say that.

But YOU have the power. I do not. I guess the best I can hope for is that you sincerely listen to my request.

Thank you - OldGHFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldGHFan (talk • contribs) 02:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not suggesting it be out of chronological order, I am simply saying that this couple in particular (not all as you've listed) crossed the border of the turn of the decade, and I see no reason to remove the information as it is not grossly inaccurate. They were intertwined in the 80s. If the article were expanded on either the early 90s super couples or super couples in general, then I could maybe see moving it if it made sense... but as of now I think they are better grouped where they are then comparing them to the 90's Sonny/ Brenda/Jax, Robin and Stone super couple era. Also, this situation is one of the reasons, as I've briefly mentioned, I'm not sure decades is the best way to split this up. I also found it difficult in discussing Gloria Monty's reign which crossed the 70s/80s border.
In summary, as a work in progress, I don't think it's so inaccurate it needs to be removed. Also, there is no "power" I have more so than you or any other editor. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


But why were Robert & Anna listed there in the first place? They weren't put there until just recently. I honestly don't think they belong there with the other Gloria Monty 80s supercouples.

I'm interested why you find it difficult in discussing Gloria Monty's reign. Maybe it would be better to group it that way. You could go from 1978-1987 - then list the 4 Gloria Monty supercouples. Then, you could go into the transition period. Then the Wendy Riche years. Then the Jill Phelps years. Then the Frank Valentini years. That might be a better way to group everything if you want to write the history of General Hospital.

Thanks OldGHFan

--OldGHFan (talk) 03:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I agree grouping by EP may be a better way to organize it. I don't see 1979, 89, 99 vs, 80, 90 and 00 respectively as being the black and white huge catalysts for change for the show. EP will probably help it flow a lot better. Either way I think the article is a major work in progress, and there are a lot of POV statements that need sourcing. As for timing, it doesn't matter if information was or wasn't there previously, reliable third party sources are what matter. I could have written the sky is green on an article 5 years ago, and just because no one noticed it, wouldn't make it any more true. But anyway, I like this EP idea. Thinking about it (and better understanding what the titles were for now) the transition period should be labeled 87-93, not 90-99. Makes more and more sense the more I think about it - great idea! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


That's great! I'm glad we agree on something!! But if I can make one request - please do NOT put Robert & Anna as a supercouple during the Gloria Monty years. They weren't even a couple - much less a supercouple during that time. In fact, even when they were paired together in the 90s, they weren't called a supercouple. It was only years later that people started to give them that title and sort of forgot about true supercouples Robert & Holly and Duke & Anna. I think that's what gets me so mad because the actual history of what really happened in the 80s gets inaccurately recorded. And then people cite, "they have a source" and then it's suddenly gospel. I want this ACCURATELY recorded. Luke & Laura, Robert & Holly, Frisco & Felicia and Duke & Anna were the true supercouples. They were the lead couples when GH was a cultural phenomenon and number 1 in the ratings. They deserve respect. Thank you.

--OldGHFan (talk) 03:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


The thing is that sources are what make up the article. I will look for some sources that mention more specific years/writers/producers. It can't just be people saying certain couples were more important than others, there has to be references to reliable sources. It's also a work in progress which is why I think it's better to keep the information and work on clarifying it rather than delete it just because there are unsourced opinions that some couples were "true" supercouples and others weren't. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


The funny thing a lot of the sources from the 80s are not on the Internet. So how can you cite them? I have a SOD magazine from 1990 that lists the greatest love stories of all time from each show. Robert & Holly was chosen for GH - even beating Luke & Laura - but I can't cite that source because it's not online. Really none of the stuff from the 80s is online. So we have recent articles that retroactively state some couple is a supercouple and because that's online that now has more weight. It's wrong. And I get you don't want to delete anything but Robert & Anna were just recently added to that section. If anything,they should be deleted and then you should look for clarification. Again, they weren't a supercouple in the 80s which is what the current article is about. Unless you're okay with inaccuracies.

--OldGHFan (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


I've stated many times that how long something has been here does not have any weight. You can most certainly cite any third party, reliable sources, online or otherwise. However it seems you are a bit biased towards Robert and Holly versus Robert and Anna. They were on the show and intertwined in the 80s, and as the article grows more and more clarifications can be made. Just because Robert and Holly won a poll in a magazine doesn't make Robert and Anna not an impactful couple from the era. It is a work in progress; more sources, info and clarification will continue to make the article better, there is no need to keep arguing about such a small point that will eventually work itself out. They were a couple of 1991 vs. 89? (examples, not exact dates). Either way they had an impact and there's no use deleting the info that can be kept and worked on. That's really all I have to say. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:37, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for listening to me. It means A LOT. I noticed the changes that you made to the GH history section. I like them. A lot. Again, sorry for taking up so much of your time. It's just that in recent years supercouples Robert & Holly and Duke & Anna got slighted a bit in favor of Robert & Anna. I guess I'm a bit sensitive. Thank you for including Robert & Holly in the overall supercouple list. It means a lot.

--OldGHFan (talk) 14:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You faked this entry[1][2] to List of fictional supercouples. I know this because this is something editors are always doing at that list. You know that you didn't read that source and find that couple in there. I reverted you because of this falsehood. Halo Jerk1 (talk) 18:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

HELP! If I have sources that say Robert & Holly ARE a supercouple but they are not online. How do I get them online? Most of the legitmate supercouples were in the 80s and I have evidence that Robert & Holly were called a supercouple. I think what SOD prints in the 80s and 90s should certainly have more weight than what a mainstream magazine prints 2 decades after the fact. How do I get this evidence online? Thank you in advance.

--OldGHFan (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:CITE for information on how to cite sources, both online and in print. While lack of current online sources should not be a reason to not include (as long as there printed older sources are cited course), what current sources do print today should not be discredited due to what sources in the 80s say. See WP:WEIGHT for information on why all viewpoints need to be equally included. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, just want to add before you go looking for sources to be careful that they are specifically called a supercouple - i.e. above you mentioned they won they best love story, unless that article also used the term supercouple, I don't believe it can be used for inclusion on the list. Sometimes it isn't until years later/retrospect that third parties use the term when referring to a couple. But this discussion will be better at the talk page of the list article: here is the link. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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