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A fact from Himmatul Aliyah appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Himmatul Aliyah was born in Tangerang and represents Jakarta in Indonesia's House of Representatives, while Himmatul Alyah was born in Jakarta and represented Tangerang?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Himmatul Aliyah.

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 02:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Indonesian politician Himmatul Aliyah was born in Tangerang and represents Jakarta in the People's Representative Council, while Himmatul Alyah was born in Jakarta and represented Tangerang? Source: [1] for the first lady, [2], p57 for the second lady.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luigi Galleani and Template:Did you know nominations/Michael McCown

- Comment: -

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 10:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Himmatul Aliyah; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - concern

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Juxlos: Good article. But, while the article says that aliyah was born in Tangerang regency, the hook says that she was born in Tangerang city, which are two different things Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Fixed. For the record, Tangerang city didn't exist before 1993. Juxlos (talk) 03:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do apologize for commenting on this nomination as it's already been approved, but I'm not sure if the hook is the best option here. For one thing, it's relatively common for a politician who was born in place to represent another (for example, Boris Johnson, former PM of the UK, who was born in New York), so I'm not really sure how their case is any unusual. I'm also not sure if a double hook is the best option here either for the same reason; it might be better to have separate hooks for them. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, if another politician named Borys Johnson, born in the UK, is the Mayor of New York, that would be an interesting coincidence that warrants a hook. Juxlos (talk) 09:09, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That particular case, yes. However, I don't think a person being born in one place then representing another by itself is an interesting thing since it's quite common. The circumstances leading to said situation would make it interesting though. For example, former Philippine President Joseph Estrada has served as mayor of two separate places: San Juan, where he lived for quite a long time, and Manila which is his birth city. Him being mayor of San Juan despite being born in Manila is not by itself that interesting, but him being mayor of San Juan, then later returning to his birth city and becoming mayor of that city is (I'm sure there are also other similar cases in other countries). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm truly baffled by User:Narutolovehinata5's intervention. The two facts together make a very clearly interesting and surprising hook, which would not be the case if we separated them. "I don't think a person being born in one place then representing another by itself is an interesting thing since it's quite common." Nobody disputes this, but that's not the claim expressed by the hook. MartinPoulter (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, I just don't really see the point of it being a double hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting a second/third opinion on the hook as to its interestingness. I'd be inclined to let it go through, but I wanted to get another take on it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @BlueMoonset: The hook looks fine as a quirky. I do have another concern: our article on the legislature is at House of Representatives (Indonesia). "Indonesian House of Representatives" would push this hook past 200. Should we keep the alternate name to keep it under 200? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sammi Brie, the opening sentence of the lede notes that "People's Representative Council" is the literal translation of the name in Indonesian. However, if you want "House of Representatives", here's a minor modification of the original hook to use that phrase—it comes in at 196 prose characters:
    - ALT0a: ... that Indonesian politician Himmatul Aliyah was born in Tangerang and represents Jakarta in Indonesia's House of Representatives, while Himmatul Alyah was born in Jakarta and represented Tangerang? —BlueMoonset (talk) 21:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - @BlueMoonset: I'd be fine with that or possibly this, which reduces redundancy: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0b: ... that Himmatul Aliyah was born in Tangerang and represents Jakarta in Indonesia's House of Representatives, while Himmatul Alyah was born in Jakarta and represented Tangerang?