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Q1: Was there a dispute about what the article title should be?

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October 14, 2007	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
January 21, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
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May 18, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept
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December 13, 2014	Featured article candidate	Promoted
September 24, 2022	Featured article review	Demoted
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Eve Fairbanks (2008-04-09). "Wiki Woman". The New Republic.
Alison Stewart, Rachel Martin (2008-04-03). "'Round the Clock: Obama, Clinton Wiki-Warfare". The Bryant Park Project, NPR.
Brooke Gladstone (2008-04-04). "Editors in Chief". On The Media, NPR.
John J. Miller (2008-04-21). "Liberal Web". National Review.
Pascal Harter (2008-04-08). The World Today, BBC World Service. {{cite news}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
Jesse Brown (2008-04-10). "Hillary's Wiki Defender". Search Engine, CBC Radio One.
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Kelly Heyboer (2008-05-28). "Clinton's entry in Wikipedia has a watchdog". The Star-Ledger.
Paul Murnane (2008-05-28). "one of two pieces aired". WCBS Newsradio 880.
Maxwell Tani (2015-05-15). "Meet the guy who has protected Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page for almost a decade". Business Insider.
Elspeth Reeve (June 13, 2015). "The ladies who love Hillary". The New Republic.
Roudman, Sam (June 7, 2016). "Wikipedia Wars Over Clinton As Presumptive Nominee". Vocativ.
Wagner, Meg (October 13, 2016). "Hacker posts porn on Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page". New York Daily News.
Alcantara, Chris (October 27, 2016). "The most challenging job of the 2016 race: Editing the candidates' Wikipedia pages". The Washington Post.

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Move logs: Hillary Rodham Clinton
Hillary Clinton

Discussions:

RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, Moved (panel closure), closed 8 May 2015, decision posted 11 June 2015

Older discussions:

RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus to move, closed 12 February 2007
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus to move (malformed move request, non-admin closure), closed 21 December 2007
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus to move, closed 18 June 2011
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus to move, closed 20 November 2012
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, Moved to Hillary Clinton (non-admin closure), closed 18 June 2013

MR, Closure as move of Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, Moved back to Hillary Rodham Clinton (no clear consensus for the previous move), closed 28 June 2013

RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, Speedy close as no consensus (non-admin closure), closed 24 February 2014
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus to move (admin panel closure), closed 21 April 2014

MR, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, No consensus, default to endorse, and procedural restrictions established: No further move request to be started until February 2015, and between February 2015 and February 2017, or the closure of the next valid move request, whichever is earlier, no move request to be made unless at least 5,000 characters in length, closed 31 May 2014

RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Secretary Clinton, Speedy close since another RM open (non-admin closure), closed 17 April 2014
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary (politician), Speedy close as unlikely and potentially disruptive (non-admin closure, rapidly endorsed by admin), closed 27 April 2014
RM, Hillary Rodham Clinton → Hillary Clinton, Summarily closed citing prior declaration that if an RM is submitted prior to February 2017 it must be at least 5,000 characters in length (non-admin closure), closed 9 April 2015

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Section sizes

Section size for Hillary Clinton (52 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	8,178	8,178
Early life and education	29	28,444
Early life	9,927	9,927
Wellesley College years	9,986	9,986
Yale Law School and postgraduate studies	8,502	8,502
Marriage, family, legal career and first ladyship of Arkansas	213	30,785
From the East Coast to Arkansas	2,258	2,258
Early Arkansas years	8,159	8,159
Later Arkansas years	13,878	13,878
Bill Clinton 1992 presidential campaign	6,277	6,277
First Lady of the United States (1993–2001)	3,566	32,496
Health care and other policy initiatives	6,145	6,145
International diplomacy and promotion of women's rights	4,465	4,465
Scandals and investigations	6,762	6,762
It Takes a Village and other writings	5,256	5,256
Response to Lewinsky scandal	3,403	3,403
Save America's Treasures initiative	702	702
Traditional duties	2,197	2,197
U.S. Senate (2001–2009)	76	31,753
2000 U.S. Senate election	4,274	4,274
First term	16,982	16,982
2006 reelection campaign	3,201	3,201
Second term	7,220	7,220
2008 presidential campaign	17,255	17,255
Secretary of State (2009–2013)	689	60,600
Nomination and confirmation	5,604	5,604
Tenure	28,589	39,688
Overall themes	11,099	11,099
Benghazi attack and subsequent hearings	14,619	14,619
Email controversy	15,075	15,075
Clinton Foundation, Hard Choices, and speeches	7,179	7,179
2016 presidential campaign	21,600	21,600
Post–2016 election activities	15,768	15,768
Political positions	4,590	18,769
Economics	970	970
Domestic policy	3,281	3,281
LGBT rights	2,429	2,429
Immigration	2,328	2,328
Foreign policy	5,171	5,171
Religious views	1,256	1,256
Cultural and political image	11,156	11,156
Books	1,592	1,592
Ancestry	1,779	1,779
See also	248	248
Notes	24	24
References	15	4,785
Citations	34	34
Works cited	4,736	4,736
External links	108	8,572
Official	678	678
Media coverage	125	125
Other	7,661	7,661
Total	317,314	317,314

Tense correction

the very first sentence of this article begins, Hillary Clinton is a "politician and diplomat". Without detracting from her many accomplishments, she presently is an academic; she was a politician but is no longer; she was a diplomat, but is no longer. She is active with universities and her foundation, but not presently in public service. 96.20.111.52 (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ROLEBIO: she is not notable as an academic. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016 election

Hillary Clinton called the 2016 election fraudulent claiming Russian interference. This claim was later proven false but her denial of the election results is omitted from her introduction. This is relevant because Donald Trump's introduction includes a lengthy paragraph about his claim that the 2020 election was fraudulent. 108.4.153.106 (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is not accurate. Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections is proven. Moreover, Hillary conceded the 2016 election the next day. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

your source that russian interference was proven? That has been debunked. 2600:1009:B12F:9F6F:A596:D146:6B11:7ADE (talk) 11:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article about how it is proven that I linked above has 606 unique inline citations, a further reading section, and relevant external links. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"while winning the popular vote"

Just for the record, in case it comes up again – there's been a bit of back and forth in a sentence in the lead in the last few days:

Keeper of Albion changed "despite winning the popular vote" to "while winning the popular vote". Edit comment: There’s nothing ‘despite’ about it.
I changed it back to "despite". Edit comment: "despite" is clearer, especially for readers who may not know the details of the US presidential election system. It's been "despite" for years. Let's keep it that way.
KoA changed it back to "while". Edit comment: It reads as though the page is arguing that she should have been elected because she won the popular vote. "Despite" was removed from the lede section of the Donald Trump article this year in much the same way. She lost perfectly legitimately. There’s nothing "despite" about it.

I then looked at the Donald Trump talk archives and found the discussions Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 172#"despite_losing_the_popular_vote" (June 2024) and Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 158#Some issues with the lede (June 2023).

Many editors think "despite" simply expresses the fact that the result may be unexpected, especially for readers who are not familiar with the US electoral college. Many others think "despite" expresses some kind of illegitimacy and "while" is more neutral. In the end, a majority seemed to prefer "while". It's also been changed from "despite" to "while" in George W. Bush and Benjamin Harrison.

I think both iterpretations of "despite" are reasonable, but I'm not terribly opposed to "while". And in the interest of consistency and (as some argue) neutrality, I think we should now stick with "while" until a new consensus emerges. That's all for now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo for infobox

Should we update to any of the pics from the 2020s? The one from 2016 is... from 2016. That, and if you look at List of first ladies of the United States, there is another photo of Clinton being used.

Incumbent photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg

Suggestions:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Former_United_States_Secretary_of_State_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_at_the_U.S._Department_of_State_on_September_26%2C_2023_in_Washington%2C_D.C._14_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hillary_Clinton_53663388489_o_%281%29.jpg DougheGojiraMan (talk) 04:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on how recent you want to go. It's better to focus on a strong, high quality image with Clinton as the focus though, I think.

I also propose the first image:

File:Former United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 14 (cropped).jpg

But I also believe that crops of:

File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 22.jpg

&

File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21.jpg

would work well.

I think the first or third image would work best, with a lean towards the third one in my own personal preference. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]