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On 12 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Scottish Highland dance to Highland dance. The result of the discussion was moved.

Far too many red links

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– This was cleaned up in 2018.

There are far too many red links. Angie Y. (talk) 23:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dress

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– Aboyne dresses are now mentioned.

For highland dancing you can wear an Aboyne or a Kilt. The Aboyne is for the national dances. The Kilt is for the common dances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.70.184 (talk) 02:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slight adjustment to first sentence

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– There is no longer a run-on sentence in the lead.

The first sentence strings together too much information. Needed to be broken down into two sentences. Carolynweekes (talk) 01:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 clean-up

Going to do some clean-up in the next month. Red non-existent links will be removed. The majority of the external links do not lend to the article. Will try and find some authorative source regarding 'Lorna Mitchell' -- the name Jenny Douglas has long been associated with the first female dancer c. 1850. In the Organisation section, the article places too much importance on SOBHD whereas should list SOBHD, SOHDA, etc., then continue about SOBHD's market. (SOBHD claims to be 'world', yet its board comprises of mostly local dancing associations, and makes national associations 'affiliates'.) Listing 'firsts' (first female, first American) are important, but naming current holders lends nothing. Will make a separate section on 'Competition' (and Judging will become a second level), to better cover Cowal, etc. Fix over-capitalisation.

Feel free to comment on the above before I start doing the revision. (And yes, I am a highland dancer as well as a researcher.) Q8682 (talk) 15:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Initial formatting update complete. Found duplicated aboyne section. Added in SOHDA and added Judging and Comps under Organisations. Reordered dances to be generally alphabetical, removed red wiki-links (to non-existent pages), and added more wiki-links. Next step is to include some of the authoritative sources to improve referencing. Much of Scottish highland dancing history however is captured in myth (urban legend), and original source materials unreliable. Q8682 (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Highland dance → Highland dance – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE; and the WP:PRECISE principle that we do not use more precision than necessary; and the WP:DAB principle that we do not "pre-disambiguate", even with "natural disambiguation", any topics we imagine might eventually turn out to need disambiguation; and to be WP:CONSISTENT with Highland dress, Highland games, etc. The pagename Highland dance already redirects here, and there's no hatnote indicating anything to disambiguate this from, much less something else that could possibly be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. While there are highland areas in other parts of the world, and surely dances in them, only this subject seems to be routinely called "Highland dance" or "Highland dancing" in reliable sources in English, and those sources overwhelmingly use that specific, shorter term. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support for brevity. :3 F4U (they /it) 02:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Doesnt seem to be anything notable regarding "Highland Dancing" that isnt about the scottish form. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 14:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Additional sources

I found all these listed in the article as if they had been cited, but none of them were, and it's very misleading to the reader to dump them into the article like that. Re-add them to the article when they are actually consulted and cited. PS: I formatted them as proper citations, though, with ISBN-13s when possible.

Emmerson, George (1972). A Social History of Scottish Dance: Ane Celestial Recreatioun. Montreal: McGill–Queen's University Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctt1t88wt7. ISBN 9780773500877.
Flett, Joan F.; Flett, Thomas M. (1990) [1964]. Traditional Dancing in Scotland. London: Routledge. ISBN 9780710207319.
Flett, Joan F.; Flett, Thomas M. (1996). Traditional Step-dancing in Scotland. Edinburgh: Scottish Cultural Press. ISBN 9781898218456.
McCann, Ewen (2005). William Sutherland of Thurso and Aberdeen: Highland Dancer. Lower Hutt, New Zealand: E. McCann. ISBN 0473104229.
Newton, Michael Steven (2009). Warriors of the Word: The World of the Scottish Highlanders. Edinburgh: Birlinn. ISBN 9781841588261.
Thurston, Hugh A. (1984) [1954]. Scotland's Dances. Kitchener, Ontario:: Scotpress / Teachers' Association (Canada). ISBN 9781559320771. OCLC 3602873.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 11:20, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other stuff probably of relevance:

Newton, Michael Steven (2013). "'Dannsair air ùrlar-déile thu': Gaelic evidence about dance from the mid-17th tolate-18th century Highlands". International Review of Scottish Studies. 38: 49–77.
Newton, Michael Steven (2018). "Step-Dance in Cape Breton and Other Complicated Relationships: Review Essay of Gibson's Gaelic Cape Breton Step-dancing". International Review of Scottish Studies. 43: 121–132.
Gibson, John G. (2017). Gaelic Cape Breton Step-dancing: An Historical and Ethnographic Perspective. "Studies in Ethnic History" series. McGill–Queen's University Press. ISBN 9780773550599.
See also: Talk:Highland games/Archives/2023 1#Additional sources, Talk:Scottish diaspora#Additional sources, Talk:Highland dress#Additional sources, Talk:Tartan#Additional sources

— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]