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Moved content back to "Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon". Mais oui, Princes are still listed by their peerage title. See Prince Andrew, Duke of York and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex. User:Dimadick

It is worth pointing out here that whilst he was indeed a Prince of Scotland, Henry was never known as "Henry of Scotland". He was always known and identified in all ancient manuscripts as "Henry, Earl of Huntingdon". I think this needs attention otherwise people will never locate him. Sussexman 08:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In reliable sources, rather than antiquarian relics and genealogical tat, he is usually known as Earl Henry, and insofar as he is associated with an Earldom, it is Northumbria rather than Huntingdon. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No-one called themselves "Earl of Huntingdon" until 1176 (or thereabouts); I get the feeling that usage of the term "Earl" before then was essentially saying "I am an earl" but [perhaps] "I'm earl of Northumbria, even if the English King doesn't let me use that actual geographical description", since the Honour of Huntingdon-Northampton was the inheritance of the last Saxon earl of Northumberland. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 04:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name and title

This article is titled "Henry, Earl of Northumbria", but the first line refers to him as "Henry of Scotland", and then gives a Gaelic name in brackets (which from the context implies it is the Gaelic for "Henry of Scotland", but actually translates as "Henry son of David"). It then goes on to say he was the Earl of Northumberland (which links to Earl of Northumbria). This all needs to be sorted out, re: how many names he was known by and who used them (e.g. "Henry, Earl of Northumbria, also known in England as "Henry of Scotland" and in Scotland as Eanric mac Dabíd ("Henry son of David")), and whether he was earl of Northumbria or its successor earldom of Northumberland. Wardog (talk) 11:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

Hello, I have an idea to add his ancestry:

Ancestors of Henry of Scotland, Earl of Northumbria and Huntingdon (1114–1152)^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

16. Crínán of Dunkeld^[8]^[12]

8. Duncan I of Scotland^[2]^[8]^[11]

34. Malcolm II of Scotland^[8]^[12]

17. Bethóc of Scotland^[8]^[12]

4. Malcolm III of Scotland^[2]^[4]^[8]^[9]

18. Siward of Northumbria?^[12] (=12?)

9. Suthen^[12] (b. as Sybilla?)

19. Ælfflæd or Godgifu? (=13?)

2. David I of Scotland^[1]^[2]^[4]^[6]

20. Edmund II Ironside^[2]^[13]

10. Edward the Exile^[2]^[8]^[13]

21. Ealdgyth^[2]^[13]

5. Saint Margaret of Scotland^[2]^[4]^[8]^[9]

11. Agatha^[2]^[8]^[13]

1. Henry of Scotland^[1]^[2]^[4]^[5]

24. Bjorn Estridsen?

12. Siward of Northumbria^[12] (=18?)

6. Waltheof of Northumbria^[2]^[10]

26. Ealdred II of Bamburgh

13. Ælfflaed (=19?)

3. Maud of Huntingdon^[2]^[7]

28. Eustace I of Boulogne

14. Lambert II of Lens

29. Maud of Louvain

7. Judith of Lens^[2]^[10]

30. Robert I of Normandy^[2]

15. Adelaide of Normandy^[2]

31. Herleva of Falaise?

Sources:

Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
Oram, Richard; David: The King Who Made Scotland, (Gloucestershire, 2004).
Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals 2008. ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

Additional source:

Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings. England, anglo-saxon and danish kings.

References

^ ^a ^b ^c A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 47–48
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l ^m ⁿ ^o Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 102–103, 161–162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings and England, anglo-saxon and danish Kings
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 103, 162
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 147, 162
^ Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 147
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
^ ^a ^b Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
^ ^a ^b Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 102
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 161–162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161 Cite error: The named reference "<5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2. Cite error: The named reference "<6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 20:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[<1-1] A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 47–48

[<2-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l ^m ⁿ ^o Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[3] F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 102–103, 161–162

[<7-4] Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings and England, anglo-saxon and danish Kings

[5] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 103, 162

[6] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 147, 162

[7] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 147

[<3-8] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47

[<4-9] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162

[<8-10] Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 102

[11] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 161–162

[<5-12] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161 Cite error: The named reference "<5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[<6-13] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2. Cite error: The named reference "<6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

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