Talk:Hello (Pop Smoke song)

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Review: March 14, 2021. (Reviewed version).

This article was nominated for deletion on 22 February 2021. The result of the discussion was keep.

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A fact from Hello (Pop Smoke song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Pop Smoke references Manu Ginóbili, a former basketball player with the San Antonio Spurs, in the lyrics for "Hello"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hello (Pop Smoke song).

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GA Review

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Reviewer: LOVI33 (talk · contribs) 00:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Per your request. Will try to finish this by tomorrow. LOVI 33 00:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

American rapper Pop Smoke, featuring fellow American → American rapper Pop Smoke that features fellow American

Not done It is perfectly fine how it is.

from the former's posthumous debut deluxe studio album, Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon (2020) → from the deluxe edition of the former's posthumous debut studio album, Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon (2020)
It was written by Pop Smoke and A Boogie wit da Hoodie, who are credited under their legal names of Bashar Jackson and Julius Dubose, alongside Steven Victor, Jason Avalos, Alex Petit and Ricardo Lamarre. The latter two handled the song's production. → It was written by the two artists alongside Steven Victor, Jason Avalos and the song's producers, CashMoneyAP and Rico Beats.

Not done, we need to mention that the two rappers were credited under their real names. Rico Beats and CashMoneyAP producer the track.

I'm not saying we shouldn't mention that, I'm just saying it is not notable for the lead. It is however 100% notable to be placed in the body of the article, that is why I didn't ask for it to be re-worded below. LOVI 33 17:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The song was released → "Hello" was released
"Hello" features instrumentation of piano, strings, and drum. → The song features a piano, strings, and drum instrumentation.
Pop Smoke references basketball player Manu Ginóbili while A Boogie wit da Hoodie declares himself the king of New York and says Pop Smoke would be too if he were alive. → In the lyrics, Pop Smoke references basketball player Manu Ginóbili and A Boogie wit da Hoodie declares himself the king of New York City while stating that Pop Smoke would also hold that title if he were still alive.
while reaching the top 40 in Greece and Canada. → while reaching the top 40 of charts in Greece and Canada.

Background and release

Are you sure his manager announced the song? To me it seems more like he is teasing it as it says credits but never explicitly the title "Hello".

Changed

The tweet also doesn't back up that he announced it would be on the deluxe edition of the album.
Removed
released on the deluxe version as → released on the edition version as
The song was released as the → The song was serviced to US Rhythmic contemporary radio as the
Target Alex Petit to CashMoneyAP
Target Ricardo Lamarre to Rico Beats

Composition and reception

HotNewHipHop, "Hello" consists of an "oppressive → HotNewHipHop, the production of "Hello" consists of an "oppressive
in the songs lyrics. Pop Smoke raps: → in the songs lyrics, rapping:
king of New York while → king of New York City while

Commercial performance

The song initially charted → "Hello" initially charted
Then, the track later peaked at number 97 on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart → The song later entered the US Billboard Hot 100, peaking at number 97.
I don't like the listing of different chart positions. Try writing them out in full like what you did for the United States or say "It peaked within the top 40 of ...., the top 50 of...., etc"

Not done There are not that many chart positions so I am going to leave it like this.

Credits and personnel

Looks good!

Charts

Austrian chart ref isn't working. You need to add "feat. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie" to the artist parameter
German chart ref also isn't working. You have the wrong song id

Not done

The song doesn't appear in the Irish ref. You might have to use the Ireland3 parameter instead of Ireland4

Not done

New Zealand Heatseekers → New Zealand Hot Singles

Not done

You can remove the Twitter Hot 100 reference as it now appears in the template source

References

Copyvio score is too high at 40.5%. Check your wording on ref 12.
Make sure all these are archived
Ref 1: I recommend using the {{cite tweet}} template

Not done

Ref 5: Right now the archive-url is in place of the url, please fix this; Top 40/Rhythmic-Crossover > Future Releases → Top 40 Rhythmic Future Releases; All Access should be cited as a publisher

Not done

Ref 14: Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) per guidelines at WP:OVERLINK; 2021-03-03 → March 3, 2021

Final comments and verdict

Overall I think this is a great article and could definitely be GA, but I have one concern. I think that this article was nominated a little too soon. Considering that it just entered the Billboard Hot 100 this week, I would say it hasn't reached a peak yet. I usually would recommend waiting until it has reached its peak in most major markets to nominate as if you don't it usually leads to stability concerns. Plus the song was released just a month ago meaning more information could surface about the song. Due to this, I'm going to have a Second opinion requested to see what other editors think. LOVI33 17:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that it's a little early to nominate this. ~ HAL333 02:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Ultimate Boss: I just realized that you probably weren't notified that I finished my review since I opened it for a second opinion so I am pinging you now. It would be great if you could respond to my comments. I'll make my decision whether to fail or pass this article in the next few days. LOVI 33 03:48, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LOVI33 I would like to comment that in my opinion, this article's recentness does not lead to potential issues with stability because it was a Pop Smoke posthumous release so he obviously can't promote it, plus the Hot 100 position was an entry after the song previously appeared on the Bubbling Under chart rather than its actual debut on Billboard charts. So in my opinion, it should be passed. --K. Peake 11:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LOVI33:, @Kyle Peake: is right. If you do not know; Pop Smoke was shot and killed during a home invasion last year in California. I lived in California for a year when I was six and my family and I moved because we thought it was too dangerous (And man were we right). The song is also only rising on the Hot 100. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 04:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Ultimate Boss: I appreciate your opinions but I cannot take them into consideration as you have bias since you are the nominator. I will however take Kyle Peake's into consideration. However, I definitely cannot pass this article at the moment. I have signaled some of my comments in which you haven't done and I have responded to your reasoning about having the the real names producers in the lead. The comments about the prose and the cite tweet template I can be a little more lenient on, but you definitely have to fix the charts as at the moment, they are not currently backed up by a source. LOVI 33 17:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just looking over the article now, I've noticed that the Portuguese and Swiss refs also aren't working. Please fix this as well. LOVI 33 17:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LOVI33: Ok. I have fixed the charts and removed their real names as you have insisted. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 06:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Ultimate Boss: thank you for that. Although I was just doing a quick check over the article and the I think the NZ Hot Singles source you have is wrong. You claim it peaked at number 6 on the chart but the source says number 37. Also the prose says it peaked at number 8. It would be great if you could also fix this. You also haven't given me a reason why you didn't re-word the first sentence. LOVI 33 14:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LOVI33: I have removed the NZ Hot Singles as it is not an important chart. I have also explained the first sentence above. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 23:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. ✓ Pass LOVI 33 00:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:10, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Pop Smoke references basketball player Manu Ginóbili, who played for the San Antonio Spurs, in the lyrics for "Hello"? Source:FanSided
- ALT1:... that in the lyrics for "Hello", A Boogie wit da Hoodie declares himself the king of New York City while saying he would have shared the title with Pop Smoke if he were still alive? Source:HotNewHipHop

Improved to Good Article status by The Ultimate Boss (talk). Self-nominated at 04:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Epicgenius (talk) 20:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]