Talk:Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens

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A fact from Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 October 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 1967 West German sex-education film Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens featured scenes of childbirth which were the first to be shown publicly in Germany?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens.

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In English, the film seems to come as simply Helga. Where does the English long title come from? If it is (only) a translation, it should not be capitlized, and "development" would be closer to "Werden" than "origin". If not, it should be cited, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I sourced it to a specialist book dedicated to analysing the film. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 16:57, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Perhaps add that a more literal translation would stress "Werden" as becoming, growing, developing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Gerda. Please go ahead and add it, since you are a German language expert. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 20:50, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens → Helga (film) – There are no other films of the same name, Helga. No need to use German sources, actually. BFI, The New York Times, WorldCat, and AFI use "Helga". Why not shortening the title per (only) reliable English sources? Actually, the current title is not used very much. Books on German culture, like literature and cinema, use both the short title and the long title. This book and that book use the short title, as well. Search "Helga 1967" or "Helga 1968" in Google Books. George Ho (talk) 06:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This film, as mentioned in the article itself is part of a film trilogy. The trilogy films have "Helga" as the first component in their titles. There is no WP:COMMONNAME in English which can be substituted usefully, so we need "Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens " as disambiguation from the rest of the movies in the trilogy as well as any other Helga-related articles. Search "Helga 1967" or "Helga 1968" in Google Books. This is wrong. "Helga 1968" is not this film. It could be its sequel. This book and that book use the short title, as well. Cherry-picking books which contain only "Helga" in the title as a passing mention to the film, is not the answer. You can start by checking the references in the article where the full title is mentioned in English references, including literature works and a specialist book dedicated to analysing the film. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 16:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not many English use the German subtitle. Helga und Michael was released one year after German release and is titled Helga and Michael in the UK (Michael and Helga in the US). --George Ho (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not many English use the German subtitle., yet the link you gave of the English - language book uses the German subtitle and there is no claim in that book that "Not many English use the German subtitle." In any case, as I mentioned before, and as Gerda comments below, the German disambiguation is needed to distinguish it from many other "Helga" titles. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Helga - a woman's name - could be about anything. The subtitle is precise for those who understand, a good dab. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Readers may understand "(film)". Readers may grasp German title, but even subtitles may also give an impression that it's a book. Either way, they won't know what the article is about until they fully read it. --George Ho (talk) 00:24, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Readers may grasp German title, but even subtitles may also give an impression that it's a book. Either way, they won't know what the article is about until they fully read it. Wrong. The first sentence in the article calls it a "film". And the poster in the infobox is unmistakably that of a film. George, I know you mean well, but I think it is time to let people express their opinion without cross-examining them for no good reason. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. de:Helga (Ruf) is about a famous Running Gag in germany. I herewith threaten to translate it, by Helga Horrible! If you need to move the film, try Helga (Sex education film) or Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens (Film). Serten (talk) 09:29, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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