Talk:Helen Bailey

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Helen Bailey's Wikipedia entry

I strongly disagree with the suggestion to delete this entry. Perhaps the proposer doesn't know the British children's books scene very well, since Helen was (and remains) an incredibly popular author in the important Young Adult field. Her name is widely known, not just by children and young people but by publishers, booksellers, and throughout the book trade. The Bookseller trade journal has been publishing countless tributes to Helen from her peers. She was also well known for her work in the bereavement field, and was highly respected in that area too. She is by no means purely known for the tragic circumstances of her recent death. I would strongly support keeping this article, but it needs revision to reflect her huge contributions in life, rather than dwelling on her death. Fayfran (talk) 10:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"WHO'S WHO: Children's author HELEN BAILEY". Ham & High (London). 29 July 2008. Retrieved 19 July 2016.
"Helen Bailey: Writer", PlanetGrief.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey: author stuff", HelenBaileyBooks.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey: Electra stuff", HelenBaileyBooks.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
Helen Bailey, "Queen of Teen", HelenBaileyBooks.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey: Daisy stuff", HelenBaileyBooks.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey: Writing stuff", HelenBaileyBooks.com. Retrieved 11 July 2016
Katie Dickinson, "Children's author Helen Bailey originally from Newcastle reported missing", ChronicleLive, 18 April 2016. Retrieved 12 July 2016
Cocozza, Paula (3 October 2015). "I was wearing a bikini when he died - the absurdity of it’". The Guardian (London). Retrieved 19 July 2016.
Helen Bailey, When Bad Things Happen in Good Bikinis, Bonnier Publishing, 2015
Presenter: Jane Garvey Producer: Eleanor Garland (21 October 2015). "Best of the best women's fiction, Autism and puberty, Civil partnership amendment, Living with grief". Woman's Hour. 27:45 minutes in. BBC. BBC Radio 4. Retrieved 19 July 2016.
"Concern grows for missing author Helen Bailey", BBC News, 17 April 2016. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey disappearance: Man arrested by murder police", BBC News, 11 July 2016. Retrieved 11 July 2016
Caroline Mortimer, "Helen Bailey: man arrested on suspicion of murder over disappearance of celebrated children's novelist", The Independent, 11 July 2016. Retrieved 11 July 2016
"Helen Bailey disappearance: Man bailed by police", BBC News, 12 July 2016. Retrieved 14 July 2016
Richard Hartley-Parkinson, "Body found in hunt for missing author Helen Bailey", Metro.co.uk. Retrieved 17 July 2016
"Helen Bailey murder case: Remains found at author's home", BBC News, 15 July 2016. Retrieved 15 July 2016
"Helen Bailey death: Partner charged with murdering children's author", BBC News, 16 July 2016. Retrieved 16 July 2016
"Helen Bailey death: Family members pay tribute after author's body is discovered buried next to her dog", The Independent, 16 July 2016. Retrieved 16 July 2016

Possible photo?

Just wondering if this photo I took shortly after the discovery of Bailey's remains might be suitable for inclusion in the 'Murder trial' sub-section? JezGrove (talk) 23:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, though I think a higher priority should be to balance the article by cutting some of the detail out of the section covering the murder trial. It would be good if someone was able to upload a picture of Ms Bailey herself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Murder Trial

This section seems long, and to miss the main points for the prosecution: upon learning that police knew that Helen's phone had connected to the router at Broadstairs a few days after Helen's disappearance, Stewart claimed that he had been forced by the kidnappers to bring her phone there and plug it in. But he had no explanation for text messages he had sent to Helen on the phone while he was in possession of that phone. Likewise once he changed his story to say she had been kidnapped, he had no explanation for why he had needed to lie and to tell her brother and police that he had found a note which she had left for him saying she was going away. That is, once forced by the evidence to admit that there was no note, and that he was in possession of her phone, he had no way to explain why he had lied and told everyone that she had left a note, or why he had sent text messages to her saying 'where are you' etc, while knowing that she could not have received them because as he now admits, he himself had her phone. Also such strange anomalies as that he and Helen were by coincindence both standing holding the cesspit cover open one time when the kidnappers arrived.

How about "Initially, Stewart told police that Helen had left a note saying she is going away, and Stewart sent text messages to Helen's phone trying to contact her. When police evidence showed that her phone had subsequently connected to a router at their holiday home, Stewart said that he had been forced to lie because Helen had been kidnapped, and admitted that he had been in possession of her phone and he had been in effect sending text messages to himself. He could not explain how he had been forced by the kidnappers to send text messages to himself asking about her whereabouts or to tell Helen's brother and others that she had left a note saying she is just going away, but he said that it was the kidnappers who had in fact forced him to bring her phone to the holiday home and plug it in. Stewart also said that the reason he phoned the police at 3:27 to report her missing is because the kidnappers, after threatening him not to call the police, a few days later relented and said he may phone the police as long as he would wait until after 3:00. The same kidnappers had arrived one day before the kidnap to see Stewart and Helen standing near the cesspit with the lid open but did not push her in at the time, he said, only doing so later in order to frame Stewart." Createangelos (talk) 22:56, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That seems very detailed - the aim should be to cut back the lengthy prose while basing it on reliable sources. Remember, this is an article about Helen Bailey - not solely or wholly about her murder. Is your suggestion based on one or more reliable sources, or is it your own synthesis - which of course is not allowed? Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:20, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm giving probably essentially the judge's summary of the evidence which is published verbatim in Cambridge-News... such as in the latter pages of this link http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/incoming/live-helen-bailey-murder-trial-12633390 though admittedly he refers to things the jury know without re-explaining them.Createangelos (talk) 20:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

In January 2019 it was announced that Stewart was to be the subject of the first episode of the true crime drama What The Killer Did Next. Isn't this simply an advertisement for an upcoming drama? Nuttyskin (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The episode was broadcast in 2019, so I've updated the mention. (More at IMDb.) It is sufficiently notable to be (briefly) mentioned, in my view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]