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Hebraism is a linguistic term, not a religious one. Redirecting this page to "Judaism" makes no sense. Non-Jews speak and study Hebrew. Arabs in Israel speak Hebrew. Christians speak Hebrew. Hebraism -- a Hebrew idiom/terminology/phrase -- and Judaism -- a religious/cultural affiliation/identity -- are not synonymous, and one cannot sensibly redirect to the other. It would make MORE sense -- though it would still be stupid -- to redirect this page to Yiddish. TheEditrix2 18:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article incorrectly states that one scholar concludes that some Hebraisms in the New Testament suggest that the New Testament was written originally in Hebrew. The Hebraisms in the New Testament are generally believed to be attributed to the dynamic of Language Transfer^[1] which in this case is called a Semitism. A language Transfer is a phenomenon whereby a multilingual person thinks primarily in the expressive structure and cultural paradigm of one language while nonetheless speaking or writing in another language. The end result is that any implications unique to the language and culture the writer is thinking in are the ideas being communicated and that any implications unique to the language and culture being written in are accidental and unintended. Hebrew culture thinks and perceives things somewhat differently than Greek culture. To see Hebraism in the New Testament means that although it is written in Greek, one should interpret its intended meaning as if it had been written in Hebrew.

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-- Bob Greaves (talk) 00:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jytdog:, does this still violate copyright?

The Hebrew prophets created the foundations of Western morality. Judeo-Christian beliefs led to certain aspects of Western thinking, such as the value of the individual and the belief in human progress. Hebrew monotheism, by enforcing the worship of a single God, protected liberties from human oppression and indulgences, deemed as false gods one should not submit to. However, monotheism also stigmatized opinions contrary to what is believed to be God's will, as monotheism establishes concepts of objective truth and absolute morality.^[1]

@Jytdog:, the other stuff you can't find came from other pages of the same source. The ref now contains their numbers.Music314812813478 (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Marvin Perry (1 January 2012). Western Civilization: A Brief History, Volume I: To 1789. Cengage Learning. pp. 27, 28, 32, 33. ISBN 1-111-83720-1.

Music314812813478 (talk) 07:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You do not need anyone to tell if you have copied content out of a source and pasted it into Wikipedia.

The content is not supported by the source, however. Jytdog (talk) 07:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The Hebrew vision of a Messianic Age, a golden age of peace and social justice, is at the root of the western idea of progress." Page 33, and "Created in thebimagevif God, he himan being was unique, qualitatively different from the rest of animate nature." from page 27, both of which support my addition "Judeo-Christian beliefs led to certain aspects of Western thinking, such as the value of the individual and the belief in human progress."Music314812813478 (talk) 07:55, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The content is overbroad and not supported by the source. Jytdog (talk) 07:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jytdog:, Regarding on whether or not this still violates copyright, this does not copy directly from the source, but what I'm asking you if this paraphrase is sufficient enough. Is it or no?Music314812813478 (talk) 08:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little too lazy to provide the supporting statements, so please find them yourself. Also please provide feedback, it would be appreciated.Music314812813478 (talk) 08:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jytdog:, please respond.Music314812813478 (talk) 09:12, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I get it, you are saying that the content lacks specificness. Alrigty then.Music314812813478 (talk) 09:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence may seem overboard, but this is what the source means, so there is no overbreadth here. Otherwise, this should do it.:

The Hebrew prophets created the foundations of Western morality. Some Judeo-Christian beliefs-such as the belief in a utopian age of the Messiah, and the belief that humans are created in God's image-led to certain aspects of Western thinking, such as the giving of great value to the individual and the belief in human progress. Hebrew monotheism, by enforcing the worship of a single God, protected liberties from human oppression and indulgences, deemed as false gods one should not submit to. However, the Hebrew belief in sole devotion to a certain God also strongly discouraged independent moral views, imposing strict obedience to what is believed to be God's law.^[1]

@Jytdog:, please provude feedback.Music314812813478 (talk) 20:32, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Marvin Perry (1 January 2012). Western Civilization: A Brief History, Volume I: To 1789. Cengage Learning. pp. 27, 28, 32, 33. ISBN 1-111-83720-1.

[1] ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_transfer

[2] ttp://www.bible-researcher.com/hebraisms.html

[Perry2012-3] Marvin Perry (1 January 2012). Western Civilization: A Brief History, Volume I: To 1789. Cengage Learning. pp. 27, 28, 32, 33. ISBN 1-111-83720-1.

[Perry2012-4] Marvin Perry (1 January 2012). Western Civilization: A Brief History, Volume I: To 1789. Cengage Learning. pp. 27, 28, 32, 33. ISBN 1-111-83720-1.

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