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Fire

[1] found guilty - we also need to lose much of the fire stuff as it was apparently unconnected. 81.187.223.119 (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Response to burglar alarm?

3 April: 00:21 police at Scotland Yard are informed that the burglar alarm has been triggered.

I seem to remember the police were severely criticized for failing to react to the alarm. There is no mention of this. Valetude (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

And then what happened?

So were the goods recovered? Had they been insured? Most interestingly, were any of the recovered good unclaimed? Scwarebang (talk) 16:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Mr Ginger?

Every article on the crime I've read said that Mr. Ginger was never caught or even identified, although this article says "all four members" of the gang were convicted. Mr Ginger isn't mentioned anywhere except in the timeline. This is a pretty massive omission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.40.194.137 (talk) 23:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Reasonable source for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35126667 ©Geni (talk) 20:44, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Relevant sentence?

I'm failing to understand the relevance of the second sentence, "The burglary occurred during a period in which both the Easter Bank Holiday and Passover coincided." CityFeedback talk 11:37, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

For historical reasons, many of the Hatton Garden jewelry trading community are Orthodox Jews. The bank holiday shut down most of the city during that weekend, and Passover also shut down the Orthodox community, who were at home observing Passover: with no-one around to mind the store, the thieves had the opportunity to operate entirely undisturbed. The Hebrew Calendar is a lunarsolar calendar, so the date of Passover shifts around relative to the secular Gregorian calendar, so this does not happen very often: the implication of that sentence is that the thieves may either have known this would happen this year and took advantage of it, or just been lucky that the coincidence meant that no-one was about. -- Impsswoon (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
The Easter holiday follows the same lunar pattern as the Passover. Jesus was crucified on the Friday before the Passover and the 2 festivals always coincide. As has been pointed out, the Easter weekend is the one weekend in the year where all the businesses in the area would be closed, rather than the Jewish businesses being open on Sunday and the non Jewish businesses being open on Saturday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.185.139 (talk) 23:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I've altered the wording to note that the long weekend due to Easter+Passover was the burglar's opportunity, but reworded so, as you note, we're not suggesting that the two holidays proximity is an occasional coincidence. As neither this article nor (I think rather surprisingly) the Hatton Garden article talks about the involvment of London's Jewish community in the Hatton Garden jewellery business (which is why mentioning Passover in this case is directly relevant), I've added a Jewish Chronicle story, which directly ties the timing of the raid to the two holidays. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 14:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Serious issues with Article

The following issues need to be resolved with this article:

  • There are sparse details regarding the crime in question - Burglary lacks details on when the job began and when it ended, what the items were that were stolen and subsequent events surrounding them, and the overall number involved in the crime.
  • Certain details in Burglary pertain to the investigation by police - this should be kept separate from the crime.
  • Timeline - Seems oddly arranged, and sparse on details
  • Arrests - Details on how police suspected these people to be involved needs to be researched
  • Sentencing - More details needed about the trial of the suspects.

GUtt01 (talk) 22:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

As I noted above, in #What really happened?, much of that detail has not been published. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 22:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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