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What really happened?

The article is too short and superficial. Why did the first burglary alarm lead to the arrest of the criminals? How were the criminals identified and caught? And so on and on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.100.176.222 (talk) 14:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In England, while a trial is pending, or underway, much of the matter is sub judice (strictly speaking, it's the Contempt of Court Act 1981 that pertains). This means that sources like newspapers and TV cannot report much of the detail, for fear it would jeopardise the trial. There is still one person who has been charged, whose trial may not be for a year or more. Once all the trials are concluded, or any remaining charges formally dropped, you typically see a slew of TV programs, newspaper features, and books - some coming out the same evening. Wikipedia relies on these sources to fill out the very facts you're asking about. As almost all those sources are UK media, we won't get the full story - and Wikipedia won't have the reliable sources it needs to give the full story - until the final verdict has been handed down. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 14:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Finlay McWalter:! I had the same bewildered reaction. WTF happened? What was stolen? How can we not already know? The Queen's Justice, though, has its own rules that are unfamiliar to folks used to other systems, just as the Official Secrets Act imposes limits on whistle-blowers that many elsewhere find incomprehensible. Is there a way (without breaking WP:RS, et al) that something could be inserted into the article alone the lines of, "Full details will be made public (barring yet another Daily Mail stunt) only after all trials have concluded..."? Last1in (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally we'd still cite some external source saying why (rather than my understanding); I'd imagine that's why the ITV thing hasn't been broadcast, but they don't seem to have said why it was postponed. I confess that I don't now know what the hold up is (for all the information, not just the ITV drama) - Michael Seed was sentenced last month, and I'm not aware of anyone else whose trial is pending. But there still only very basic reporting ("xyz was sentenced"), which suggests that there is either still someone whose trial is pending, or there is still an active investigation (perhaps into the disposal of the proceeds). From a Wikipedia RS persective, we seem to mostly be stuck in the same position, without the comprehensive sources we'd need to make a complete article. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This story explicitly describes Michael Seed as "the last suspect in the Hatton Garden heist". So I'm as vexed as y'all. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further arrest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43578422

©Geni (talk) 21:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

THis was the arrest of Michael Seed, who was convicted and sentenced in March 2019. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Seed, AKA Basil. --Devokewater (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Items stolen

What was stolen? Was it recovered? --Khajidha (talk) 12:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As per #What really happened?, above, much of that information hasn't yet been made public. Which does leave us with an incomplete article, and no real means of fixing that until the details are finally published. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can kind of see not reporting what was stolen (kind of, but it still seems a little odd), but I fail to see why the sources don't say whether the things that were stolen were recovered. --Khajidha (talk) 14:05, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this thing still sub judice? If the article is correct, why is the sum of the compensation orders almost twice the estimated haul? - Sitush (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burglary or Robbery?

Recent edits (here and here) have changed the wording of the article from "burglary" to "robbery", with a justification that "Burglary is the unlawful trespass into the dwelling of another, at night time, with the specific intent to commit a felony therein." I'm not sure where that definition comes from, but under British law ([1] [2]), burglary can happen in daylight, and in any building, residential or otherwise, though residential burglaries are treated differently by the CPS. Robbery specifically involves the use of force or threat towards a person.

The defendants in this case were found guilty of conspiracy to commit burglary, as detailed in the sources given. I'm therefore reverting the use of "robbery" to the previous wording. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 09:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]