Talk:Harz

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This article has redirects from Hartz mountains and Hartz Mountains, but this article makes no mention of Hartz as an alternate name. As there is an actual mountain range in Tasmania with this name, I would like to remove the re-directs - is there any potential of confusion by doing this? -- Chuq 22:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems ok, "Hartz" is just a misspelling. --Chl 22:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beliefs

Can we add some facts about the supersitions surronding this mountain chain? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.175.5.174 (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Settlement

The history section mentions settlement in the Harz began only a 1000 years ago or so. This may need to be revised since in 1993, 21 Bronze Age skeletons were found in a cave near Osterode which date back 3000 years. (Search on: Lichtenstein Cave Osterode Harz)

Citations

The article needs a fair amount of in-line citations and additional references. I'm pretty sure there is more information, online, about this large natural area and the histories surrounding it. Simply from a readers perspective (living outside of Germany) sections like the region's history - Middle Age to Present - reads like someone just had a bunch of info and started writing. Whether true or not that's what it reads like and with no verifications of anything there's no way I can know if it's true or if the "famous" books listed are even remotely important to the subject. Coinmanj (talk) 18:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Sheeran

I've just re-reduced the coverage of Frank Sheeran's claims to have committed war crimes in the Harz mountains. My rationale is basically that this material rambles, and all the content is in the first sentence. As this section also covers the infamous Dora camp, which was among the Nazi's greatest crimes, very briefly, there's no reason to go into the claims of this person in much greater detail. They're covered in his article, which is linked here. I think it's fair to say that a better source than the recollections of a hitman made almost 50 years after the event would be desirable. Nick-D (talk) 11:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there's probably too much detail, considering it's covered elsewhere, but I just felt the edit was too drastic. But we could also say a little more about Dora. I visited the latter a few years ago, but my recollection is a bit hazy. I recall they held roll calls in the snow that lasted for hours as if they deliberately wanted the weaker ones to die of cold, which they did. I think the notability of the US incident is that there is a tendency to imagine that the Allies were squeaky clean (which AFAIK they usually were), so it's important to keep a balance. If you're an expert on Dora, did you want to add more to that section? Bermicourt (talk) 15:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I've summarised the incident, although it would benefit from a 'comment' from a reliable source, such as "this is the only known atrocity committed by the Allies in the Harz theatre" or "incidents like this were commonplace at the end of the war, but were suppressed by the Allies" or whatever (I've just made those comments up by the way). I suspect this kind of thing was uncommon on the Western Front because the Germans were very keen to surrender to the Allies in preference to the Soviets, but I'm not a historian. Bermicourt (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That looks better, but the source is still problematic (the article on Sheeran states that some of his claims to have committed crimes in the book aren't considered credible). Nick-D (talk) 10:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Interesting. We may need to track down other sources. I wonder if the graves were discovered and investigated? Bermicourt (talk) 12:20, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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