Talk:Harding Academy (Nashville)

Removed material from Dab

This is probably already covered in the article; it was improperly added to the Dab:

a Kindergarten-8th grade private school on Harding Place in Nashville, Tennessee.([1])

Although the Nashville Harding Academy is located in the building formerly occupied by Harding Place Church of Christ, its website says that it is a "non-sectarian" school.

--Jerzy•t 21:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

"I would recommend it to all"

This isn't Yelp, it's Wikipedia. Can someone get rid of the opinionated stuff? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.253.94 (talk) 11:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

School history

The history of Harding Academy is supported by references from the Nashville Tennessean. This may be uncomfortable to supporters of the school, but Wikipedia is not censored. While the current situation may be different, the history remains.

Mission statements (a) are not recommended in Wikipedia articles, see WP:MISSION, and (b) should not be supported by references from subject-controlled websites. Rhadow (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hello KE -- You may request here inclusion of a piece of information about the school, e.g. the Statement of Inclusivity, with a secondary source that describes it. That means a reliable source (WP:RS), for example a newspaper article or citation from a book. Rhadow (talk) 16:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Two Thumbs Up

Got it. I think. KE (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Redirected

I've redirected this article to the community it is located in. It clearly fails WP:GNG and hence should be redirected per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:SCH/AG#N. Obviously, if there is articulatable disagreement, revert and we can discuss. Although the sources for the seg academy bit are sufficient to verify the facts, they lack the detail needed to show notability. Historically, having highly notable alumni was a reason to keep a lower school, but of late, we've moved more to a position that alumni are not relative to notability per WP:INHERIT. John from Idegon (talk) 14:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I support redirecting. Billhpike (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Note that this school is not to be confused with Ezell Harding Christian School Billhpike (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Also unrelated to Harding Academy (Memphis), which was not created as a seg academy but ballooned in size during integration.Jacona (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm okay with the idea that a school does not inherit the notability of its alumni. Is you intent to avoid more discussions with the COI editor? Blanking the article does that. Rhadow (talk) 15:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm OK with redirecting, not because of the COI issues, but because that's what we usually do with primary and middle schools and this school is definitely low on the notability scale. If desired, we could open the discussion to a larger audience by taking it to WP:AfD, but in my opinion, that's only if someone objects to the redirect. Jacona (talk) 19:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

HelloJacona -- Fine. Do it. Don't lose the sag-acad stuff. I don't really care about the lawsuit. The non-discrimination stuff I put in just o head off the editor who will return in a week. Rhadow (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Guess I tripped over a hornet filled log here. There was no ulterior motive in redirecting this. As Jacona stated, it's how lower schools are usually handled. The lawsuit is a zero, as it was sourced to a primary source, and of zero impact outside the local community. The seg academy stuff was something, but again, not enough to show notability. As an aside, is being a seg academy really differentiating? I'm certainly not opposed to including it on each and every school it applies to, as that ugly portion of our history is significant and shouldn't be whitewashed, even if the school had changed their stance. But I'd dare say that virtually every private school founded between 1964 and 1975 south of the Mason Dixon line was founded as a seg academy (some north of there too, and I'd sure like to see the hard working editors represented in this thread get something going on that). I therefore don't see simply having a history of being a seg academy alone as enough to keep a school article we'd usually redirect or delete. Rhadow, KatnissEverbean is not blocked. The action taken here should satisfy her concerns, and Jacona, I loved the note you left her. Pinging Billhpike and Justlettersandnumbers as they have been active on this in the past few days. John from Idegon (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, John from Idegon. I remember when I was new and an experienced editor was, at least in my eyes, screwing me over. It was very painful. You took the time to help me, I'm trying to pass it forward. Thanks again.Jacona (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Redirection seems to be the right course here, a non-notable non-secondary school (I didn't look at the history when I fiddled with a few details here earlier, or I'd have seen what was going on). If segregation academies are a "thing" in American social/racial/academic history (and I wouldn't know whether they are or not), then perhaps the redirect target should be List of segregation academies? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, the tradition is to redirect to the school district or the locality.Jacona (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hello Justlettersandnumbers -- Segregation academies ARE a thing. Somewhere there needs to be solid references. You can't just add a school to the list (which exists in segregation academy) or to the various categories in category:Segregation academies without substantiation. Rhadow (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hello John from Idegon -- You aren't the only one who believes that every private school founded between 1954 and 1975 had some racial motivation. Our little club here (including Ukvilly) has been diligent to develop bulletproof sources. As to schools north of the Mason-Dixon Line, the tactics -- tactics still used today -- don't include the kind of in-your-face campaigns that leave court transcripts. As to whether being a segregation academy is differentiating, I argue strongly it is. The contemporaneous newspaper accounts are not so easy to find on the web. They will likely be paywalled, keeping them from most WP readers. It's a service to the encyclopedia to identify the ones that left big legal wakes at the time. More discussion at Talk:Segregation_academy#Standard_wording. Rhadow (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, Rhadow, references are needed (actually I already knew that). That it was a segregation academy was, as I recall, about the only properly-referenced claim in the page before it was redirected. Anyway, I'm done with this, please leave me out of any future discussion. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I would respectfully, but strongly disagree that every private school founded between 1954 and 1975 had some sort of racial motivation. I would probably agree if qualified with "most" and "in the Southern United States". That is very important, because to categorically identify the actions of many, many independent people and organizations without evidence is prejudice and bigotry. If we take false actions based on that prejudice, we're committing unfair discrimination. I would not want to be guilty of that!!!Jacona (talk) 13:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jacona -- An editor's perception of history is different from his or her duty to write in an encyclopedic tone and back everything with references. There are 120 segregation academy articles. That number is unlikely to grow beyond 200. Each will be as carefully researched as the other. I recommend you to Talk:Segregation_academy#Corrections_and_consistency. Rhadow (talk) 14:10, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've been there many times already, and contributed to the discussion there.Jacona (talk) 16:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)