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I have put a link-anchor at the top of the Meet Miley Cyrus track listing, so that you can link to it using:

[[Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus#Meet Miley Cyrus track listing]]

even though I think the Meet Miley Cyrus listing really should be in a section under its own heading. --83.253.248.109 (talk) 13:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Soundtrack or studio album?

2010

Discussions were began at Talk:Can't Be Tamed and regard on specifying whether Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus is a soundtrack or a studio album. Up to now, discographies and numerous articles have stated this album is considered Cyrus' debut and Breakout her second. I disagree and am proposing to change this as Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus is considered a soundtrack in various countries and many reliable sites such as Allmusic, Billboard, and Hollywood Records. One of the main points here is to avoid original research as per Wikipedia guidelines. If you are interested in points that were held in the previous discussion, feel free to explore Can't Be Tamed's talk page or my own. Our main goal is to reach consensus. Please join the discussion and state your point of view in order to include all possible points and make the correct decision. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 03:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Cyrus and her label say MMC is her debut, so I think we should treat it as such. One of the benefits of Wikipedia is that it is not paper, so we can add as many notes and bells and whistles as necessary to make it clear that it was released as a two-disc album. liquidluck✽talk 03:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm tending towards soundtrack. Billboard indeed denoted Breakout as the debut album of Cyrus. Generally the charting retailer's preference presides over a record company. I remember a similar discussion happening at Gaga's The Fame Monster. Although Interscope was promoting it as Gaga's second studio album, BB was refusing to accept it as suc and only as a re-release, untill the Fame Monster EP was released. Then only the article was changed to studio album. Hence this one also should remain as a studio album. --Legolas (talk2me) 03:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Wait, maybe I'm missing something, but Legolas2186, you confused me. You said you were "tending towards soundtrack" but at the end (and in your edit summary), you say "studio." Can you clarify whether you think MMC is Miley's debut or not? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 03:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I think a source in which Hollywood Records describes Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus as her debut studio album. Also, how can it be half and half? How would that be specified in the discography? It makes no sense to me and it can't completely be a compilation since Hannah Montana 2 and Meet Miley Cyrus were never sold separately. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 03:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I just found a press release which says it is a hybrid. [1] -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 03:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The press release does say, "The pop/rock double CD marks the solo recording debut of 14-year-old singer/songwriter Miley Cyrus,..." and it says a couple times that she's the youngest to have two #1 albums released in a year; I didn't read very carefully, so I don't know if that means HM2/MMC counts as two #1 albums or if she'd released another album previously. - Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

No, for the two albums, it counts Hannah Montana and this one. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 22:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I wasn't sure. But it still says "solo recording debut". :) – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 22:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The source states, "Walt Disney Records' Hannah Montana 2 soundtrack features 10 songs from the show's second season performed by Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana. The set also includes Hollywood Records' Meet Miley Cyrus, marking the teen's solo debut." -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 02:18, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Right, and like I quoted above, also "The pop/rock double CD marks the solo recording debut of 14-year-old singer/songwriter Miley Cyrus." So, so far the source considers MMC to be the debut, which would make Breakout her second solo effort, and Can't Be Tamed her third. That's what the press release is leading to. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 02:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes but if half of it is a soundtrack and half of it is a studio album, how would you specify it in a discography. The albums cannot be split since they were never sold separately. Plus, it's clearly a marketing strategy and many professional sources consider Breakout her first album. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 19:25, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


2011

There is no mention on other perfomers of that first disc's songs. So I am assuming those were all performed by Miley Cyrus, so it would make this double album a double studio album (which one half is also a soundtrack). 85.217.41.33 (talk) 01:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I have yet to hear anything to state that Meet Miley Cyrus is Cyrus' debut album. I was lead to believe that Breakout was her debut album. Can anyone post reference to actually claim that Meet Miley Cyrus is her debut album? JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 01:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

This is confusing the hell out of me. I've always thought that it would be correct to say that this acts as a soundtrack and a studio album, but Billboard credits the release to only Hannah, and not Miley. Seems like to me, it's a normal soundtrack, just with two discs: one being for songs in the film, and the other songs by Miley herself. I find this release quite similar to that of Best of Both Worlds Concert, it is credited to Miley, when half of it is as Miley and half as Hannah. ℥nding·start 02:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Also note that the packing for the Best of Both Worlds Concert is the same as Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus', (with the cover and side showing the songs by Hannah, and the back showing the songs by Miley and the cover image) and it credited solely to Miley. ℥nding·start 02:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/breakout/id283365718 According to the album review on this page Meet Miley Cyrus was intended as her debut album but it failed to get recognition on it's on as it had too much similarity to the stylings of Hannah Montana. So Breakout is considered her first album credited to Cyrus by herself. Most stores put this in soundtrack because of the combination. You can't go to any store that I know of and find Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus in both soundtrack and Miley Cyrus. So I'd post this completely as a soundtrack. That's how I'd go about it at least. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 02:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

The Best of Both Worlds soundtrack was suppose to be credited to both that's how Disney intended it why it was posted otherwise isn't right. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 02:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Enging, that's the Allmusic review. And it's based on opinions, not facts. It's a soundtrack and studio album. Billboard also has "7 Things" as a Hannah Montana song. That doesn't mean anything. They make mistakes. I think it is fine being credited as the first half a soundtrack and the second half as a studio album, after all that is how it has been marketed. Also, this discussion has been going on for 4 years and it always seems to settle on the fact that it is a studio and soundtrack. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 02:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
My main problem goes down to it only being listed as a Hannah Montana release by Billboard. I agreed that it was a part of it, changing the infobox to say: "Soundtrack album / Studio album by Hannah Montana / Miley Cyrus" but the fact that Billboard does not list Miley is bothersome to me. Allmusic also does not list it as her own album. And as James has been asking, where are the sources saying it's her debut? ℥nding·start 02:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ending. The only reference I found is posted above and even on that it says it failed to be as such since it had similar sounds to that of Hannah Montana. In fact that's the album review for Breakout on iTunes. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 03:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Technically, Breakout is Miley Cyrus' second album, but her first was part of the two-disc set Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus, which attempted to capitalize on Cyrus' huge popularity as The Disney Channel's pop star in disguise and establish her as a real pop star under her own name. Though she scored a tween-pop hit with "See You Again," the songs Cyrus recorded as herself on Meet Miley Cyrus weren't significantly different than her Hannah Montana fare. She takes another step toward having her own pop identity with Breakout, the first album credited to Miley Cyrus alone. Breakout is possibly the most generic title this set of songs could have, but it expresses the album's purpose nicely: Miley sheds the confines of her Hannah Montana image for an identity that is just as stylized and calculated as her alter ego. As with all Disney music, nothing has been left to chance. Breakout hits all the marks that a 2008 pop album should, right down to a dance remix and a song about saving the environment; cunningly, "Wake Up America" is one of the album's catchiest moments. These songs were written and produced by committee, designed to present the feisty, carefree Miley (the title track's schoolgirl rebellion) and the sensitive Miley ("The Driveway," "Goodbye") to the widest audience possible. Truth be told, these sides of Miley still aren't drastically different from Hannah Montana's music — "Full Circle," with its bubbly melody and playful lyrics, plays like a slightly more sophisticated Hannah Montana single. Cyrus' sound is still a mix of Avril Lavigne-esque sass and Michelle Branch-like vulnerability, served with a bright sheen borrowed from new wave, which she nods to with an oddly rushed, strings-driven cover of Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." Cyrus' voice is deeper and rougher than when she's singing as Hannah, and there are a few more reflective moments here than there would be on her other project, but only a handful of songs truly break out from the Montana mold. "Bottom of the Ocean" is so polished and restrained that it could be a hit on triple-A radio, while "7 Things" is a twangy, clever piece of love-hate pop that feels descended from Shania Twain's flirty mix of rock and country. The controlling boyfriend putdown "Fly on the Wall" goes in a completely different direction, playing like a G-rated version of Britney Spears' "Toxic" with fuzzed-out guitars and keyboards that lead into girlishly snotty vocals. Even if these songs are derivative of much more established pop divas, they provide clues to the kind of company Cyrus aims to keep. And while Breakout isn't as much of a breakthrough as it could be, it still moves Miley closer to an identity and career outside of Hannah.

This is from the reference I posted earlier. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 03:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Let's keep in mind that various sources have also said that The Fame Monster is Gaga's second album. Which it is, but it is an EP, and is not considered a studio album. From what I see, the use of the word debut was referring to HER debut as Miley and not Hannah. They never used the term "debut studio album". ℥nding·start 03:11, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Also note Allmusic calling Can't Be Tamed her second album. ℥nding·start 03:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
I think that's what iTunes is claiming I'll have to look into Can't be Timed on there and see what it says. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 05:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Check this out from here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/miley-cyrus/id137057909?showBio=1

Miley Cyrus became an overnight sensation in 2006 as the star of Hannah Montana, a popular Disney Channel television series whose success allowed Cyrus to launch her own recording career several years later. Overnight popularity wasn't a new thing for the Cyrus family; Miley's father, country singer Billy Ray Cyrus, went from obscurity to stardom in a few short months in 1992, when "Achy Breaky Heart" became a crossover hit. The success of "Achy Breaky Heart" was hardly the only memorable event for Billy Ray that year, though, as he and his wife welcomed their daughter Destiny Hope Cyrus into the world on November 23, 1992. Destiny's cheerful disposition as a child earned her the nickname Smiley, which stuck when it was shortened to Miley.

Miley's career as a professional actress began in 2003, when she appeared alongside her father in an episode of the television series Doc. The same year, she landed a small role in the Tim Burton film Big Fish. The budding actress had also developed an interest in writing songs and learning how to sing, and in 2005, she landed a role that allowed her to put her skills in acting and music to work. Miley was cast in the title role of Hannah Montana, in which she played a teenage girl leading a double life: by day, she's Miley Stewart, an ordinary kid dealing with school, friends, siblings, and all the other foibles of life for a 14-year-old, while at night she dons a wig and becomes Hannah Montana, a multi-platinum pop star whose career is guided by her dad, songwriter Robby Stewart. Miley's friends don't know she's also Hannah, however, and keeping this a secret is no simple matter. After debuting in March 2006, Hannah Montana became an immediate success with young viewers and led to the release of a soundtrack CD in October, featuring Miley singing eight songs from the show along with five related tracks (including a duet with her father, Billy Ray, on "I Learned from You").

That fall, Miley hit the road as the opening act for another Disney-spawned pop act, the Cheetah Girls. A reissue of the Hannah Montana album followed in March 2007, not long after the show's theme song, "The Best of Both Worlds," was released as a single. A second Hannah Montana record, Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus, was released in summer 2007. That fall, Cyrus embarked on the Best of Both Worlds tour, which stretched into early 2008 and was edited into The Best of Both Worlds Concert film, which was released that spring. By then, Cyrus was busy recording Breakout, her first full-fledged album as herself, as well as shooting Hannah Montana: The Movie, which was slated for release the following year.

Breakout arrived in summer 2008. It topped the Billboard charts and quickly went platinum, paving the way for an even more successful year in 2009. Hannah Montana: The Movie was released that March and peaked at number one, while the soundtrack's lead single — a country-pop ballad called "The Climb" — became one of the year's most omnipresent songs, giving Miley her first multi-platinum hit. A short album, The Time of Our Lives, arrived several months later and yielded another hit with "Party in the U.S.A.," which charted inside the Billboard Top Ten for 16 weeks. Cyrus performed the song on the "Wonder World Tour," her first international tour, and also found time to film another movie, The Last Song, which hit theaters in 2010. With acting assuming such a large role in her life, Cyrus announced her decision to take a hiatus from music — but not before the release of her third album, Can't Be Tamed, which appeared that summer.

This is from iTunes and it doesn't claim that Meet Miley Cyrus is her debut album it claims Breakout is. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 05:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

No, it says it was her first full album without Hannah and read the last words "her third album, Can't Be Tamed, which appeared that summer". That means they count Meet Miley Cyrus as her first album, because they clearly state The Time of Our Lives was an EP. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 16:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm withdrawing the above as it's confusing cause from what you said ipodnano I didn't get that I thought they were counting "The Time of Our Lives." Plus I looked at it again on iTunes and it's a fan made biography oops! How'd I miss that? I'm usually good at catching that. lol! JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 02:33, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I been thinking on this for awhile and I do not think it was intended to be a debut album. I believe it was more to promote Cryus by herself as half the soundtrack then anything. A lot of the songs in Meet Miley Cyrus are in the TV show, Miley performs "I Miss You" in the episode "She's a Supersneak", "Girls Night Out (G.N.O)" was mentioned as "Horses Night Out (H.N.O)", as well as "The Climb" in the episode "Love That Lets Go". I think it was intended as a soundtrack but credited only to Cyrus. But that's my thoughts on it. Also when you think about it "I Learned From You" was never in the series but it is on the original soundtrack and it was credited to Cyrus and her father but it wasn't intended as anything but a song on the soundtrack and I think that's exactly what Meet Miley Cyrus was nothing more then a part of the soundtrack. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 16:38, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

If you check here it says her "singing debut" doesn't say anything about it being a debut album. I don't know if that makes a difference. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 16:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

40 weeks in the Top 5?

I looked it up and the album spent 23 weeks in the top 10 just, so it couldn't have spent 40 weeks in the top 5, please change that! --79.216.173.230 (talk) 23:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture Needed for the Hannah Montana 2 Karaoke Cover and Miley Cyrus Karaoke Cover

There's no picture posted on either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.198.136 (talk) 12:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

James

why are you deleting the imgae of the rockstar edition?

STOP PLEASE --RaúlLoveMiley (talk) 11:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

You have already been told by SEVERAL others that does not fall under fair use. DO NOT POST IT BACK! It is not fair use image at all. You were warned on your page already for edit-warring PLEASE STOP! JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 12:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: page moved per discussion. - GTBacchus(talk) 16:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus → Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus –

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Move back

Hey, this article was moved with a discussion that lasted literally a couple of hours. That is not worth a consensus. Look at the album jacket. It says Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus. It doesn't matter what other sources call it. What matters is the actual CD. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 17:28, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Ipodnano, I usually respect your opinions but this was discussed before it was moved. I along with two other people supported the move and it was waited on for 7 days before it got moved to this page by an ADMIN. No one opposed it before it got moved. Also too many references advertised it as Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus and I own the album only the side says it not the cover the cover says Hannah Montana 2 and the back says Meet Miley Cyrus. It was moved by agreement. Sorry. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 17:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Although that is indeed true, numerous sources list it with a colon, and per WP:SLASH, slashes should not be used in page titles. And, if it was to be moved again, it would have to be Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus, because as you can see, there's a space between it. The album jacket for Bionic says Bi~on~iC, but we don't list it such in the article, we just list it as what other sources call it. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it's similar. I do agree though, that not a lot of people chimed in, so I would have no problem with another discussion taking part if more of a consensus was reached. ℥nding·start 17:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Here, here I agree with that. Same goes with Hits Remixed not a lot of people chimed in on that either but it got moved as well. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 17:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I think Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus is fine. As for Bionic, it is completely different because that is just the styling of the word, and following Wikipedia:Article titles. Also, yes, let's wait multiple days. I'll notify some users. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 17:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Is this true: this article was moved with a discussion that lasted literally a couple of hours? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
In a 15 hour period, three people left their opinions. Then for a whole week, nobody said a single thing. ℥nding·start 18:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I suggest a re-voting. Please. Jivesh • Talk2Me 02:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

How'd it last a couple of hours? And why is it being opposed now? That's kinda messed up...If you didn't chim in before hand that's messed up and as it's been posted before it's actually a WP:SLASH. And as it's been pointed out the soundtrack was never advertised as Hannah Montana 2 / Meet Miley Cyrus it's been advertised as Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus. And besides you had 7 days to speak up and none of you did till it got moved. If you ask me it shouldn't be moved back cause you should've spoke up before the 7 days were up. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 18:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I retract my previous statements to this. You had 7 days to oppose this none of you did. That's no ones fault but your own. Should've it be moved back NO cause you should've spoke up before now. I've always thought that's how life works: "You should've spoke up while you had the chance?" JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs)
The move discussion was right. — Legolas (talk2me) 02:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

What is this congress? What is up with a re-vote? LOL! Legolas says the move discussion was right. And you had 7 days to say something, as both ending and I pointed out. What is up with that? What is this whinesville? LOL! Just kidding. I'm sorry but I really don't support a move back. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 14:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

James, can you calm down? Another discussion is needed, because only three people commented before. Without notifying some users or posting a template on the page, most users won't know about what went on. I didn't. So, even if the page ends up under the same name, it IS needed. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 17:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Nano you need to calm down. Why is it every time I put "LOL" I'm not calm? LOL means laugh out loud hello!?!?!?! LOL! JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 17:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The previous move discussion was sound. Objections should have been noted in the closed one. It has been advertised as using : and not / in the title in the past and even if the cd case uses / its best to try and avoid using them if possible per wp:slash. Also the old title will redirect here anyway so can't see an issue with it at all and I would strong oppose if a second move discussion gets opened. (Ruth-2013 (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC))

I was asked to comment here, so here's my opinion on the matter: the original move discussion was proper; it was open for seven days and the consensus at the end of that week was clear. I also stand by my !vote at the RM; multiple reliable sources use a colon and it goes against our manual of style to use slashes in titles or prose (see WP:SLASH). That all said, it is perfectly acceptable for you to start a new requested move if you so wish (though I would caution the wisdom of doing so when it seems clear that most of the people here are against using the slash). Jenks24 (talk) 01:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

It's the first sentence:

Generally avoid joining two words by a slash, also known as a forward slash or solidus ( / ). It suggests that the two are related, but does not specify how. It is often also unclear how the construct would be read aloud. Replace with clearer wording.

In the case of Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus I think this applies as it's was released together but serves two purposes. Hannah Montana 2 serves as a soundtrack for the second season of the show while Meet Miley Cyrus serves as Cyrus' singing debut under her own name. As the quote above clearly points out the slash indicates the 2 are related when in the case of this particular subject they aren't. I think that's what both Ending and Ruth and Jenks24 are trying to point out but I'm not 100% sure. I didn't catch that till just now myself. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 03:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I think it is sort of stupid to put anything as performed by Hannah Montana, since that is only a character played by Miley Cyrus. 85.217.35.84 (talk) 20:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 04:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus → Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus – Clearly this is double disc/double album release; which disc 1 (Hannah Montana 2) is credited to "Hannah Montana", and disc 2 (Meet Miley Cyrus) is credited to "Miley Cyrus" — this case is pretty similar to the double album by Outkast, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. Doesn't matter what other sources are using, they are wrong; look at the album jacket. It's Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus. Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 14:54, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose per the previous discussion. An insert in the album also states it as being called Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus. Also, this is not similar to Speakerboxxx/The Love Below at all. Take a look at the album cover and see that it clearly shows the slash in the title. — Statυs (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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Needs changing

There are a few problems with the article that I am just too inexperienced to correct. For example, Hannah Montana 2 and Meet Miley Cyrus should each have their own single release section instead of both discs' single releases being put in the same box. Also, See You Again should be added as the first single from this album. The See You Again page also needs a major renovation, as it was a single from Meet Miley Cyrus first & not Breakout, but that's another battle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronboy123 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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