Talk:Halime Hatun (Diriliş: Ertuğrul)

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Requested move 19 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) IronManCap (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Halime Sultan (fictional character) → Halime Hatun (fictional character) – The article title is the character's alias, I can't move it myself because there is already a redirect with this name. Limorina (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support - Yes, I agree, Limorina, this should be done some way or another.IronManCap (talk) 13:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I agree too! Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 19:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 22 February 2021

Move proposal rejected and withdrawn

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Halime Hatun (fictional character) → Halime Hatun (character) – Consistency with other fictional character articles, clearer disambiguation, consistency with in-universe pages such as Hafsa Hatun (character). IronManCap (talk) 20:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have discussed this briefly with Limorina at Draft talk:Gündoğdu Bey and Sungurtekin Bey (characters). I would be interested to know the opinions and advice of Rosguill or User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång. IronManCap (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While I personally would be more likely to search for the current title, I'm not opposed to moving it, especially if that's the simplest way to maintain consistency across articles. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, but would support Halime Hatun (fictional character) → Halime Hatun (Diriliş: Ertuğrul). A glance at Category:Female characters in television confirms that their parenthetical qualifiers do not simply disambiguate them as "(character)", but use the title of the TV series, e.g. Charlotte Adams (Home and Away), Esther Anderson (Sanford and Son), Kelly Andrews (The Young and the Restless), Chloe Brennan (Neighbours) or Laura Burns (Hollyoaks), etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:25, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Spinner, I would agree, but the only issue here would be that many characters from Diriliş: Ertuğrul appear in the sequel series, Kuruluş: Osman, such as Ertuğrul Bey (fictional character), and there is no overall universe name. IronManCap (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles like Bride of Frankenstein (character) and Jon Snow (character). Limorina (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The standard method is via the series' name. Some entries may be mis-categorized and some disambiguations may fall under WP:Other stuff exists / Malplaced parenthetical qualifiers exist. Occasionally, those who appear in two series may have both listed, as in Aphrodite (Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I've changed my mind, I think it isn't worth wasting time and changing all the redirects to "character" instead of "fictional character". Maybe just keep it as it is and if you want move Hafsa Hatun (character) and I guess Draft:Artuk Bey (character) to "fictional character". I don't agree with having it changed to Halime Hatun (Diriliş: Ertuğrul) because that will not only take a lot of time (and cause many mistakes related to consistency, the thing we're talking about) and because of the same thing IronManCap said. The parenthetical disambiguation will just be longer than it needs to if we mention Kuruluş: Osman in it and will just not look good I guess in my opinion. Limorina (talk) 12:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An alternative title change could be Halime Hatun (fictional character) → Halime Hatun (TV character), for consistency with Bamsı Beyrek (TV character), (disambiguated from the character Bamsi Beyrek) but I’m fine with Limorina's suggestion. It would then be obvious that characters who appear in other fictions would have ‘(TV character)’, and characters with a historical counterpart/namesake would have ‘(fictional character)’. IronManCap (talk) 12:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that this discussion should be closed now, I can’t close it myself as I’m not WP:Uninvolved. IronManCap (talk) 18:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Either character/fictional character is ok, in context they mean the same thing. Huh, there's actually a non-fiction Jon Snow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well it seems there’s consensus here then for not moving. If someone could close this discussion, that would be good. IronManCap (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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