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Proposing merge from synonym Equus occidentalis to accepted name Equus (Dolichohippus) simplicidens (Hagerman horse)

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The result of this discussion was No consensus. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - Both Fossilworks and GBIF say Equus occidentalis is a synonym and Equus simplicidens is the accepted name, which is titled Hagerman horse. Merge Equus occidentalis to Hagerman horse. --Nessie (talk) 16:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neither are particularly reliable sources themselves, and are often outdated. What does actual recent research say? Looking at Google Scholar, it seems the name Equus occidentalis is still frequently used. FunkMonk (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. North American equid taxonomy is notoriously convoluted and there is no consensus in the literature about the correct taxonomy. The species proposed for Pleistocene North American horses range from two to dozens. 206.12.37.67 (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Scott (pers. comm., cited in Morgan and Lucas 2005) considers the Equus occidentalis lectotype premolar undiagnostic, making occidentalis a nomen dubium. Morgan and Harris (2015) likewise treat E. occidentalis and E. simplicidens as separate. It's also quixotic that the Paleobiology Database doesn't take into account the synonymy of Equus laurentius with the modern horse by Scott et al. (2010). Therefore, E. simplicidens and E. occidentalis ought to be kept as separate articles.

- - G. S Morgan and S. G Lucas, 2005. Pleistocene vertebrate faunas in New Mexico from alluvial, fluvial, and lacustrine deposits. New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science Bulletin 28:185–248.
  - Morgan, G.S. and Harris, A.H., 2015. Pliocene and Pleistocene vertebrates of New Mexico. New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science Bulletin 68, p. 233–427.
  - Eric Scott, Thomas W. Stafford Jr, Russell W. Graham and Larry D. Martin "Morphology and Metrics, Isotopes and Dates: Determining the Validity of Equus laurentius Hay, 1913," Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 30(6), (1 November 2010). https://doi.org/10.1080/02724634.2010.520780 68.4.252.105 (talk) 02:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian[reply]

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