Talk:HMS Ark Royal (1914)

Contradiction

HMS Ark Royal was the World's first purpose-built aircraft carrier.

However, another ship was needed, and in 1914 a tramp steamer was requisitioned whilst under construction. This 7,000-ton vessel was turned into the first purpose-built aircraft carrying vessel, HMS Ark Royal in Blyth, Northumberland.

She is either purpose built, or converted. Emoscopes ^Talk 17:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

She used the pre-existing hull of a cargo ship under construction, the superstructure & internal configuration would have been purpose-built. It's not really a conversion because the would-be tramp steamer was never constructed. -Nakamura2828 01:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Then she was purpose converted, not purpose built. Her build started off as one vessel and was finished as somethine similar with refinements for operating floatplanes. The first purpose built aircraft carrier was HMS Hermes, which was designed and built from the keel up as an aircraft carrying vessel. Emoscopes ^Talk 01:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If you check the aircraft carrier page you'll see someone has been adding details of French construction efforts prior to this, so the claim is irrelevant anyway. Wiki-Ed 08:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

La Foudre was also converted it seems, my point is that this Ark Royal is not purpose built, she is still a conversion of an existing hull (just like Argus), and therefore cannot claim the mantle of the first purpose-built aircraft carrier. The first was the ninth HMS Hermes, although she was beaten into commision by Hosho Emoscopes ^Talk 11:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but I'm more concerned with what it is trying to do than the semantics. I'm opposed to "first" or "largest" claims littering Wikipedia like this. I've edited the contradictory section (as you say) and removed the tag. Wiki-Ed 13:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Just noticed who started this article. *Wiki-Ed smacks own wrists Wiki-Ed 13:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Reads good to me now. :) Emoscopes ^Talk 15:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I want to know if any of these Tanks, Planes or ships still survive today? Are there any WW1 planes or tanks witch still work today and are in mint condition and have all the origonal conponents and paintwork?

What happened to all these planes and aircraf carries? Civilian knowledge (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Royal Oak rescue

Not true to say that Pegasus rescued 400 survivors from Royal Oak. there were about 400 survivors, but most were picked up by the tender Daisy 2. HMS_Royal_Oak_(08)#Rescue_efforts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fine Hid (talk • contribs) 11:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps so, but maybe Daisy 2 transported them to Pegasus before she made another effort? I'm just going by what my source said.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

References

Name

Why was this ship called Ark Royal? --Dweller (talk) 11:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean more specifically? The name hadn't been used since 1636.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I mean it's a wacky name. What does it mean? Is it some kind of reference to Noah's Ark? --Dweller (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Quite possibly. The first ship was originally owned by Walter Raleigh and was 'Ark Raleigh', as a fairly common convention of the time was for the ship to bear the name of her owner in addition to whatever name the owner chose. When the ship was bought out by the crown and so became a national warship, the 'Raleigh' bit was changed to 'Royal' to reflect the change of ownership. As to why it was resurrected for this seaplane carrier, very much an auxiliary and support ship for the navy at the time, I don't recall that ever being addressed in any of the sources I've seen so far. Benea (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Interesting stuff. That Ark Raleigh information should be added here. --Dweller (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:HMS Ark Royal (1914)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 16:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

• There's one dab link. Please fix.
  • Done
• World War I subsection, 5th graph: there's a citation needed template. Please fix.
  • Done
• "The ship then became a seaplane training ship again, hosting 763 Squadron aboard from 20 April 1942 to 13 February 1944.[25] Pegasus then became a barracks ship until May 1946 and was then listed for disposal in June." - any idea where the ship went in this time or where it was moored?
  • No info in any of my sources.
• I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the lessons the Royal Navy took from this ship and applied to its subsequent carrier fleet. What relevance did this ship have on the subsequent classes?
  • From what I can tell, very little because they were all conversions of existing ships and the Admiralty would have to pay to have them reconverted back so they weren't heavily modified.

Once again, just a few suggestions. —Ed!^(talk) 03:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the review.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Citation

Citation: "Old Weather - HMS Ark Royal". Retrieved 2012-01-22. Transcription of ship's logbooks and weather information

does not seem to connect, can it be retrieved or a replacement substituted?: Sidpickle (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)