Talk:HAL Dhruv

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the HAL Dhruv article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2: 12 months

HAL Dhruv was a Warfare good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
August 27, 2011	Good article nominee	Not listed

Aviation: Rotorcraft

This article is within the scope of the Aviation WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.AviationWikipedia:WikiProject AviationTemplate:WikiProject Aviationaviation articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

This article is supported by the rotorcraft project.

Military history: Aviation / Asian / Indian / South Asia

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Military aviation task force
	Asian military history task force
	Indian military history task force
	South Asian military history task force

India Mid‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Fake and dated arguments to malign the chopper

Let me start by saying that chopper is an unstable platform and no chopper in the world is prone to accidents. Second, the information added is maligning in the way it has been added and portrayed not to mention it is dated too. The statement in question is -

As of August 2013, more than 200 HAL Dhruv have been produced for domestic and export markets.The helicopter is frequently involved in crashes with a tally of 16 accidents since entering service in 2002.

1. HAL has produced 300+ helicopter and not 200. [1]

2. There are 16 crashes and of these 14 has been due to human error and only 2 due to hardware fault. That's 16 crashes over 18years of operation and 300 machines. Pretty reasonable. However, the author failed to mention any of these and labelled it as a regular occurrence and yes I am using the same source he has used.

3. Ex. CM Devendra Fadnavis has 5 crashes on Airbus and Sikorsky platform, I don't find any mention of it in those pages. The situation is such that Maharashtra govt is selling these choppers. [2] - wiki page [3]

There are countless crashes of Airbus and Sikorsky choppers but I don't see the zeal in wiki user to vilify those platform in similar light that they handle Dhruv. I propose to remove the statement since it is dated, maligning and nothing but making a mountain out of molehill. cc:@Swastik Mridha: @Gazoth: @Adamgerber80: @MilborneOne: Shashpant (talk) 06:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the statement should remain because it was reported to parliament in 2016 and flagged as a serious issue with the quality with the chopper. Acbora (talk) 18:17, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Acobra: Please read what I have said and please go through the reference again. The way its been portrayed is wrong, let me quote if you are having issue reading or comprehending the text from the source quoted.

 There have been 16 accidents involving the indigenously built Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) ever since the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited began producing them in 2002, the government informed Parliament on Tuesday.  Of the accidents, two of them are civilian variants. Eleven accidents occurred in India and five abroad. 
 
“Out of 16 accidents, 12 occurred due to human error and environmental factors and the remaining four occurred due to technical reasons,” Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh said in a written reply    in the Rajya Sabha.

In short, only 4 accident happened in 18 years owing to issues with helicopter. Shashpant (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

16 crashes is 16 crashes. The sentence is accurate and should remain. Acbora (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A person is dumb and one acting as dumb are two different scenario and cannot be clubbed as one. Likewise, human and machine error are two different scenario and can't be painted as a single picture Shashpant (talk) 07:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how it is in Wikipedia. Information is shared in Wikipedia and not hidden. If there is report of the cause, it will be put before the readers. You cannot hide things deliberately. Mifiin (talk) 12:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

ICG Dhruv during a sortie.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 19:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

HAL Dhruv.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 11:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Cabin Mountain" MG?

This article refers to a "cabin mountain MG". I tried to Google what that was, but only got reference to this article and its derivatives.

I believe they mean "cabin-mounted machine gun on a flexible mount". I tried to change it, but it was immediately changed back. No further comment from me, I won't be checking back for a reply. 2605:6DC0:E000:860:9898:D141:29A4:288A (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]