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Birthday and, if the information I have is invalid, his death date.
List of interviewees from the trial (I read the book, but I don't remember them all)
Add biographical information about him from another source as he has a pretty interesting place in history.

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A doctor was used as a translator? Is his book the major/only source for many of the quotes we have from Germans of this period? Any separate verification of these quotes? 159.105.80.141 16:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gilbert was a native speaker so he wasn't an amateur translator, and surely not the only translator or German speaker present. I believe every word spoken by the defendents in the Nuremburg trials were recorded so he is not the only source of quotes from the high ranking Nazi from that time. The conversations in the Nuremberg Diary is another matter however as they were not recorded but written down by Gilbert immediatly after they took place; however Gilbert told the court at the Eichmann trial that he had asked the defendants to write essays about themselves, and these essays supposedly back up the authenticity of Gilbert's writing.--Sus scrofa 17:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Wouldn't the Nazis have known he was Jewish because his surname was Gilbert? (31.50.130.223 (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Gilbert (surname) opens with this:

"Gilbert is a surname of Germanic origin. The English-language surname is derived from Giselbert, a mediaeval personal name composed of the following Germanic elements gisil ("pledge", "hostage", "noble youth") and berht ("bright", "famous"). This personal name was very popular in England during the Middle Ages. The surname is sometimes an Americanized form of numerous like-sounding Jewish surnames.^[1] "

So it's pretty clear it's not a typically Jewish surname? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Gilbert Family History, Ancestry.com, retrieved 27 February 2012. This webpage cited: Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-508137-4.

Sir Martin Gilbert said it is a Jewish name. (31.50.130.223 (talk) 20:47, 7 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Good for him. Was in there is the cells with them? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, he was an historian and a Zionist activist. The Nazis would have known that a doctor from New York with the surname Gilbert was Jewish before he told them. (31.50.130.223 (talk) 20:52, 7 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

I see. So what difference exactly did it make if they did "know" before he told them? Do you have a source that directly supports your claim. Did Sir Martin Gilbert himself make such a claim? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he did. Melissa Gilbert has also described her surname as a Jewish name. There is no way the Nazi defendants would not have already known that Gustave Gilbert was Jewish due to his name. (31.50.130.223 (talk) 21:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Sir Martin Gilbert explicitly made a statement about what the prisoners at Nuremberg thought of Gustave Gilbert's surname? Please provide the source and then you can fairly add that claim, attributed to Martin Gilbert, into the article. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Martin Gilbert said his surname was a Jewish name. Hermann Goring was a highly intelligent man and would have known that a New York doctor with the surname Gilbert was Jewish. (31.50.130.223 (talk) 21:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Sir Martin Gilbert said whose surname was Jewish? Please don't edit war at this article, or your IP address may be blocked. Please don't remove material that is currently included in the article by consensus, just because your own addition has been removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Gilbert Family History, Ancestry.com, retrieved 27 February 2012. This webpage cited: Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-508137-4.

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