Talk:Gusi Peace Prize

Web site?

Neither www.gusipeaceprize.com or www.gusipeaceprize.com.ph are accessible with the latter appearing to have been deregistered. 59.167.50.32 (talk) 06:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Both domain names are currently deregistered and www.gusipeaceprize.org is not registered at all. Starting to speculate that this award may have ceased to exist. 59.167.39.59 (talk) 11:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I see that www.gusipeaceprize.com.ph has returned from the dead with a static front page. 59.167.42.2 (talk) 07:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

One of the sites is back up. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

www.gusipeaceprize.org is currently redirected to a porn site. The others mentioned above appear to be deregistered. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the dead links to the website and statements sourced solely to it.--Martinlc (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Gusi Peace Prize notable?

I see that Gusi Peace Prize seems to have fallen on hard times with less that 3900 hits on google and all known web sites associated with the award delisted. On that basis it conveys a false impression of notability that doesn't seem to be warranted. Unless more information is found suggesting the award continues and has any level of international standing, I propose to remove it from the article. 59.167.42.2 (talk) 23:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

A simple google search on Gusi Peace Prize reveals 3890 mentions of the prize by various international media and newspapers. There was also an official proclamation in the Official Gazette by the Philippines president to make a notable day. Therefore, notability is not in question or in doubt. What's in question is the status of the award now. I believe the award remains valid accreditation for award winners at the time of award and we should wait for more official Gusi Foundation statement on the current status in the meantime. (talk) 18:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a duplicate of a discussion started on Talk:Ching Hai questioning whether it is sufficiently notable to warrant inclusion on that article. Further discussion should occur there. 59.167.42.2 (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Nobel Peace Prize

The comment that the Gusi Peace Prize is equivalent in anyway to the Nobel Peace Prize is based on some general comments in one of the references but is not made as an outright claim and seems a rather grandiose statement at that. 59.167.42.2 (talk) 03:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

It appears in more than one reference, and it does not indicate equivalence. A comparison is being made. See "China's Nobel Prize". John Vandenberg ^(chat) 04:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Fake Site?

Is this a legit site of the organization? [[1]]That site seemsa hacked.. And there's no mention about 2010 awards in their official site. Only in above site, they published the 2010 award list.. Can we trust it? (The domain registered using a free mail account)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.133.96 (talk) 09:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Resolved: the new official website is www.gusipeaceprizeinternational.org [2] or [3]. The new website has been registered and is the official website—Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacesurfer (talk • contribs) 05:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

All three of those sites are defunct. The second one is hosting porn. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violation

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinlc (talk • contribs) 00:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Deleted big chunk of material copied from [4]. John Nagle (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

This award is kind of sketchy

See this article about Brian Gusi and the award.[5] Key quotes:

• "In response to a statement from the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA), the founder of an award-giving body based in the Philippines said on Monday that he used to be an "honorary ambassador" of Northern Marianas and not a diplomatic envoy. Barry Gusi, the organizer of the annual Gusi Peace Prize, made the statement after the DFA issued a letter saying their records show that Gusi was never appointed as Philippine ambassador."
• "Gusi said that as a businessman, he shells out some amount from his own pocket to fund an event. However, he admitted that a huge chunk of the funding comes from sponsorships and assistance from supporters and past Gusi winners." John Nagle (talk) 07:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

who receives it in 2015 is still open

if the persons have to be at the ceremony, it is still open, who will receive it until November 2015 , until the ceremony - if somebody does not attend, he should not be noted. I will delete the table for 2015. this article is obviously part of an advertisement of this prize. --Cholo Aleman (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Notability of the awards

It isn't clear whether the Gusi Peace Prize is sufficiently notable to merit a WP entry. There appear to be almost no independent sources that consider it worth mentioning - both local and international newspapers only mention it in the context of a press release about an award recipient. Martinlc (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge in Barry Gusi

Barry Gusi does not seem notable for much other than his work with the Gusi Peace Prize Foundation (the contents of which have been merged into Gusi Peace Prize, the Foundation article's page now redirect to the Prize article). What little other notability he has centers around his controversial use of the title "ambassador," which according to some sources was an honorary title.[6](archived 2015-11-26) I recommend merging the content, or, if the content is not merged, summarily re-directing the title Barry Gusi to Gusi Peace Prize.

If there is not enough discussion here to demonstrate that either of the above has community consensus and there is no clear community opposition, I plan on sending Barry Gusi to WP:Articles for deletion with a recommendation that the page history be kept and the page be turned into a redirect to this article. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

• @PeregrinuxXX and Peacesurfer: As of a few minutes ago, most of the content of Barry Gusi was provided by the two of you. Your input in this discussion in welcome. The issue boils down to two things:

• Does Barry Gusi meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines? That is, if there were no other articles about things related to him, is it likely that an article could be written about him that would survive an articles for deletion discussion? and
• Assuming the answer to the first question is either "yes" or "maybe," is it the best editorial decision to have separate articles or is it better to combine the contents into a single article?

Based on my research, my preliminary answer to the first question is "maybe - more research and discussion is needed, but only if a definite 'yes' or 'no' answer is needed" and my preliminary answer to the second question is "editorially, it makes sense to combine everything about Mr. Gusi, the foundation, and the prize into a single article." For both questions, I am open to input and, even if I don't change my mind, I don't "run this place" (no individual editor does - we work together). If there is a large-enough participation in this discussion backed by policy, guidelines, and past practice that it can be considered a "consensus opinion" I will of course abide by it. If the discussion does not have enough participation, then either a formal request for comments or formal articles for deletion discussion may be needed (both types of discussions tend to attract long-time editors who were previously uninterested in the topic, which is good for developing a consensus opinion). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:58, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for intervening here David. My feeling is, that the author of this article is Mr. Gusi himself or someone of the family which owns the Prize. Therefore both the articles lack objectivity and are more or less just an advertisement of a Prize, which is visible in the Philippines though surrounded by many controversies.

I suggest keeping them separate but under an independent third (your?) control so that the author of the text does not keep deleting texts that are well sourced< demonstrate some of the issues the Gusi is known for but do not fall in the advertisement category.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeregrinuxXX (talk • contribs) 01:37, 30 November 2015‎

I get your point but by design and over a decade of tradition, no one person "controls" any Wikipedia article. See WP:OWN for details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

UNDERSTAND. But in fact that is what the author of the article is doing. What can one do if any change of the article is being erased by the "owner" Peacemaker? I do not have the time nor patience to sit here and keep it changing back :-(

(talk)/(contribs) 13:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Conflict of interest of editor Peacesurfer?

It appears that user Peacesurfer [[7]] may have a WP:COI in editing this topic because they are closely related to the subject. In 2013 I asked them on their talk page whether they had any COI but they have not replied. Prior to making any more edits on the page, can Peacesurfer confirm whether they have any connection to the Gusi Prize or family?Martinlc (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

• Possible Assuming he took the photographs that he uploaded to the Commons as his "own work," he was present at one or more awards ceremonies for this prize. That does NOT necessarily indicate a conflict of interest though. It is also possible that he has no connection at all to the prize and uploaded the images under an incorrect criteria (I've flagged another of his "own work" uploads on the Commons as "need OTRS permission"). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:10, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

I have proposed this article for deletion on notability grounds. Martinlc (talk) 00:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

• WP:PROD is for deletions that may be reasonably expected to be uncontroversial, and there is too much news coverage of the subject, and too much editing history of the article, for that to be the case here. So I have removed the prod and added a notability tag given the concerns you've expressed. Of course, you can take this to Articles for deletion if you deem it appropriate. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks will doMartinlc (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

2002 awards - Anthony Quinn

Just noticed that Anthony Quinn is listed as a recipient of the 2002 award on the official website. He died in 2001 and it is a requirement that the award is received in person. Is there any evidence he received the award?Martinlc (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Dormant

It appears that the organisation is now dormant. The official website has not been updated to show the Nov 16 award recipient and has been stripped of all information about the Foundation, its staff and patrons.Martinlc (talk) 21:41, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Exaggerated and inaccurate sentence

The third sentnce of the lede has been "This award is internationally recognized as Asia's Nobel Prize counterpart and is the highest award given to Asian individuals for achieving excellence in addressing issues of human development in Asia with courage and creativity." It is clear from the list of recipients that neither the persons nor their field of activity has been restricted to Asia. There is nothing to justify the description as "highest" award. The description as "internationally recognized as Asia's Nobel Prize counterpart" is not credible and is supported only by a couple of newspaper headlines. So I have deleted the sentence. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• 2019 GUSI PEACE PRIZE LAUREATES.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Meer citation

User:BeLucky I don't want to quote too much for copyright reasons, but the source states the following in its own voice:

It is referred to as the foremost award in Asia and the Nobel peace prize of the East. It carries no monetary reward but comes with the expectation that its recipients will continue working for peace.

Courtesy link

The source looks independant so no issues there, searching meer on the RSN archives does not show any previous discussions. It is possible there are other reasons to remove the passage, but not because "Cites are from self-claims of the recipients". 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 18:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

To you it may look independent. But can read the author bio: "Jeffrey Levett received the International Gusi Peace Prize in 2019" --BeLucky (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

User:BeLucky That does complicate things. On the one hand the source is not self-published so was reviewed by an editorial board which approved it, on the other the author does call into question whether the statement deserves any weight. There are other sources that also use the phrase [8]. But how widespread is it for the question of of weight? Which I think here is the more important question. I'll look into that in a bit, if you have some time feel free to do some searches yourself. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 18:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

User:BeLucky It does seem like this has some usage, but primarily in bios. Which is to say it can be found in academic publications example and newspapers, but mostly not as part of the article itself but as the bio for the authors. Not really false information as you assert, but unless additional sources are found, unlikely to be WP:DUE in the article. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 18:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)