Talk:Grisons/Archive 2

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Latin Europe

Hello Grisons/Archive 2! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Graubünden → Grisons — It is actually the most common name in English, see WP:COMMONNAME. —Checco (talk) 06:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Survey

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• Support. Motivation above. --Checco (talk) 06:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose for now - no evidence of predominant use one way or the other yet. Knepflerle (talk) 10:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak support for now, because of these results: Grisons Switzerland -Graubünden -wikipedia = 452,000; Graubünden Switzerland -Grisons -wikipedia = 201,000. And also because of these wiktionary entries: Grisons = canton of Switzerland; Graubünden = alternative name of Grisons.--Supparluca 08:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. I am not convinced that Grisons is the most common name in English. Grisons is the French name, and although three of the four national languages of Switzerland are officially spoken in Graubünden, French is not one of those. Thus, on "neutral" maps it is likely to be indicated as "Graubünden", and that is the official name. The English language tourism website uses the name Graubünden, not Grisons [1]. Only the French language tourism website for Graubünden uses les Grisons. Graubünden does not have an English name or a common name. Hence, the name should remain to be Graubünden. --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 14:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per Gerritholl and Knepflerle. —Nightstallion 22:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. 40 or more years ago it was common to use Grisons as the canton's name (as indeed it was common to use a French form of a lot of places' names which didn't have an English name), but in recent times Graubunden is the normal way of referring to the place - see the official tourism sites' English version, referred to by Gerrit. -- Arwel (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Grisons is now a bit like Ratisbon or Spires; worthy of mention in the opener but not reflective of current English usage. — AjaxSmack 00:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Care to offer any evidence whatsoever, or are we just to take your word for it? I'm far more familiar with the name Graubünden in English texts. Knepflerle (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Alternative Names

As French is the only one of the four Swiss languages that is not an official language of this canton (according to the Switzerland article), why does the French name get preferential treatment at the start of the article? Wouldn't it be better to write

Graubünden (German: Graubünden (help·info), IPA: [gʁaʊˈbyndən]; French: Grisons [???]; Italian: Grigioni [gɾiˈdʒoːni]; Romansh: Grischun [gɾiˈʒun])

(with the appropriate IPA representation) rather than the current

Graubünden or Grisons (German: Graubünden (help·info), IPA: [gʁaʊˈbyndən]; Italian: Grigioni [gɾiˈdʒoːni]; Romansh: Grischun [gɾiˈʒun])

Rojomoke (talk) 23:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The name "Grisons" gets preferential treatment because it is commonly used in English (and it could be even more common than "Graubünden"), not because it's a French name.--Supparluca 04:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Tourism

Anybody Know about tourism in this area. It seems like a nice place to visit. I would like to see some info and stats for this area. Also what other languages would this area speak (so tourist's can successfully communicate) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.249.55 (talk) 03:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

It is a very nice place to visit. German will be most useful in most of the canton, Italian once you're over the Bernina pass, though of course most of the people involved in the tourism industry have quite good English. -- Arwel Parry _(talk) 10:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)