Talk:Grimstone, North Yorkshire

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Requested move 17 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

– The name of the parish is "Grimstone" however the article says that its a hamlet called "Grimston". The OS map does show "Grimston Grange" and "Grimston Moor" but no settlement called "Grimston". Vision of Britain shows that the CP was called "Grimston" so maybe it was renamed some time. The Domesday Book entry refers to the current name as "Grimston" so it does appear that there may well have been a settlement with this name. "Grimstone" should become a DAB regardless of this article. If we do decide to continue calling this "Grimston" then it should be moved to Grimston, Ryedale since there is another parish in the Selby district, the location of Grimston Park (where there was confusion) and a hamlet/former CP in the City of York district. @Skinsmoke: who created the Commons category for the one in Selby at "Grimston, North Yorkshire" after moving this one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What we really need to know is what is the official name of the parish. Surely North Yorkshire County Council has such. I suggest we go with that whatever that is. Nigej (talk) 17:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The name of the parish is likely to be what the OS calls it (unless it recently changed to "Grimston" which is unlikely). North Yorkshire council probably would only list the name of the council, which is Gilling East with Cawton, Coulton and Grimston since it is probably a grouped parish council as opposed to having its own council. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:08, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I'd say that the name of the parish is likely to be what the councils calls it. Rather strangely https://democracy.ryedale.gov.uk/mgParishCouncilDetails.aspx?bcr=1 has 3 Grimstone and 1 Grimston. Overall it seems to me that Ryedale and North Yorkshire CC seem to use more Grimstone than Grimston. Nigej (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ordnance Survey Election Maps uses "Grimstone" for the civil parish in Ryedale district (the subject of this article), though there is a separate civil parish named "Grimston" in Selby district (also North Yorkshire). Beyond that I can't find anything substantial online. Nomis offers no 2011 census data for either parish. Ryedale Disctrict Council website seems to offer little but does refer to "Gilling East with Cawton, Coulton and Grimstone Parish Council" [1] and Grimstone polling district [2]. I can't find anything useful on the North Yorkshire County Council website. Leaning towards support, but the lack of available information is not helpful. PC78 (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nomis generally doesn't publish data for parishes less than 100. Ryedale Disctrict Council refers to "Gilling East with Cawton, Coulton and Grimstone Parish Council" because as pointed out, although they are separate parishes, they share a parish council. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2011/2015 Population estimates: https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/sites/default/files/fileroot/About%20the%20council/North%20Yorkshire%20statistics/Parish_mid-year_population_estimates_2015.pdf has separate data and uses Grimstone, population 50/60. Nigej (talk) 19:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support then, unless someone can produce any evidence to the contrary. If moved I'm inclined to think that Grimston, North Yorkshire should redirect to Kirkby Wharfe with hatnotes for both articles. PC78 (talk) 20:02, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Grimston, North Yorkshire" should redirect to "Grimston" per WP:INCDAB due to the fact that there is also the one in York in addition to the fact that this one is at least sometimes "Grimston". Also the one in Selby should have a separate article, not just be a redirect to a nearby village. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced that this other Grimston in York would meet WP:GEOLAND. PC78 (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It would since a CP falls under a legally recognized place, even if it was abolished long ago. In addition to the fact that its also in the Domesday Book. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above discussion. Nigej (talk) 06:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.