Talk:Green Jellÿ

Reminder: Verification

Just a reminder, only information that meets Wikipedia's WP:VERIFY requirements may be posted. Due to the nature of this group's open membership only members that can be reliably sourced or cited as per WP:VERIFY may be included. --Tokyoyo (talk) 02:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

"Joe's moms basement"

"Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism." The statement in the article should clearly and obviously be spelled "Joe's mom's basement." Twice, now I have tried to make this simple and helpful edit for no other reason than to be helpful instead of a passive user. Twice some a long-time policer has revert the change. I am only told first it is unconstructive, and secondly it is vandalism. Why? Why is this? You are native english speakers, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.151.62 (talk) 04:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Not verified, needs copyedit

Please don't take it as an insult, but I reinserted the tags, for several valid reasons. Regarding the copyedit-tag: there are still a lot of spelling errors in this text, even after SKELETOR666 kindly made some corrections. Just to list some examples from the first paragraph of the bio: begain -> began, widley -> widely, their bands -> their band's, freinds -> friends, technicaly -> technically.... and so forth. Regarding the verify-tag: The article makes a lot of claims that are hardly or not verifiable at all regarding the style of the references. Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources/example style might help. It's a lot easier for a reader to have notes and citations, rather that some general references at the bottom, which give the article credibility without being of much use to actually verify single facts (like "They begain the band with the idea of starting 'The World's Worst Band'", "with the intention of acting crazy onstage", "The band was so technicaly inept, that Joe (then playing bass) had to color code his bass so that songs could be learned by color, such as "red, green, blue, blue, green" ect."). Basically everything that is not obvious should be verifiable by a common reader. I know that is quite a lot of work, but one has to start somewhere.. so best wishes to the article and it's editors .. --Johnnyw 15:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to the anonymous...

Thanks to the anonymous editors that filled in the early years, names & facts - I'm not too familiar with the early days... But I'm glad that since the 'official' site is now gone, Jello's legacy will remain here (hopefully forever).

OBEY!

Skeletor2112 05:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC) (aka Nick from Juno)

Just wondering, isn't Three Little Pigs a cover of the same-titled song by Mucky Pup?? And if so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the text?

No, and no.12.31.192.209 19:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it is a different song, although they both have the same name. Skeletor2112 09:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they don't have the same name: one is called Little Pigs (Mucky Pup), the other Three Little Pigs (Green Jello).72.181.26.55 21:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad Writing Style

Zoo signed them on the spot...only problem was, it had been a bluff, and the band had never made a "video album" before

This does not seem like encyclopedic wording to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OMNI (talk • contribs) 06:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The whole article needs a rewrite, but to be honest I don't even know where to begin. We also need a lot more references and such. Nobody of consequence 14:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Fact Removed

"They were the first band to have their music featured in a video game." - Not true, see as examples the Atari 2600 game "Journey Escape" and SEGA's Motley Crue-themed effort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.125.133.142 (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Birthday

BILL MANSPEAKER was born April 2 im guessing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.17.135 (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Franchise band members

I totally understand how the franchise concept is being used by Green Jellÿ and think it's a great idea. However, the listing of every single person who has ever played as part of the franchise concept has quickly gotten out of hand. The infobox is just one long list now and how many of these members remain in the small local bands that are performing as Green Jellÿ, much less tour as Green Jellÿ beyond a few dates? It's also an open invite for vandals to just add their own names, or just random nonsense names, to the list as none of the names listed as current members, save for Bill Manspeaker, cite any sort of verifiable source. I don't want to just go an delete them all in one shot without first looking for some sort of solution but without verification, this is just one big list of people who may or may not be members. NJZombie (talk) 01:08, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree, that’s why I came to the talk page. I think deleting everyone that doesn’t have a source is a way to start. Paige Matheson (talk) 01:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Trivia

Hello Drmies, it appears you are engaged in a reflexive edit war with me on the topic of trivia in this article. What leads you to conclude that trivia of the sort in question should not be included here? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

"Green Jelloe" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Green Jelloe and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 15 § Green Jelloe until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 04:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Article issues

Overall, this is a poor quality article that contains peacock terms, dubious claims, a promotional tone, and lacks many sources. Some of the promotional claims, such as one made about The Bear Song, are self-contradictory... it is "a hit", yet it didn't chart? By whose estimation is it a hit? If sourcing cannot be improved and the language improved I will begin removing the offending content. Please also see WP:ONUS, specifically "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. " - Who is John Galt? ✉ 00:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've trimmed most of the unsourced claims and promotional language. Some sources are still needed and the article should be checked for unreliable or self-published sources used improperly. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 02:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing unreferenced content

Hi @Balph Eubank, I'd just like to point out that you are in fact edit warring. I reverted part of your edit by re-adding some of the content you removed, so by removing it a second time, you engaged in edit warring with me instead of starting a discussion, as is preferable. In either case, the bit about stage antics is supported by a primary reference, so I'm not sure why you've decided to remove it. The bit about the band drifting apart is mainly there so that the subsequent mention of a reunion makes sense. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:ONUS is part of the WP:Verifiability policy, which you are violating by repeatedly reinserting this disputed content. Promotional claims cannot be cited to self published sources and the paragraph about the band members has needed a citation since 2020. I mentioned this in my edit summaries. If you'd like to keep these, they require reliable, third-party sourcing per the Verifiability policy and the onus to obtain consensus is upon those wishing to keep disputed content according to the policy. You appear to be engaging in WP:OWN over a long period of time on this article. Unsourced and poorly sourced promotional content is not acceptable and will be deleted again if reinserted, or if it continues will be reported to the edit warring noticeboard. Again, if you want that content to be kept, please find appropriate sources. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 01:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@Who is John Galt?, why are you making baseless accusations, such as "You appear to be engaging in WP:OWN over a long period of time on this article"? Besides not being true, as far as I can remember, it's also not constructive, so please desist. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Last July you were edit warring with @Drmies in much the same way as with me more recently, to force disputed content back into the article. This indicates a pattern of WP:OWN to me. Again, the WP:Verifiability policy is clear: the content in dispute requires appropriate sourcing. If you want it kept without this, then the same policy says it's your responsibility to seek that consensus. So my suggestion here is to either find acceptable third-party sources for the content you'd like kept, or else seek a consensus that it's fine like it is (without appropriate sources). I pledge to abide by any such consensus reached following the policies and guidelines. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 17:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Balph Eubank, that article was in poor condition. Thanks for cleaning it up. Revirvlkodlaku, I loved their "Three little pigs", but come on, let's keep it encyclopedic. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Balph Eubank, that's a valid point, I just don't appreciate being accused of things that I don't feel are justified. We all make mistakes, and I've made my share of mine, and you can point them out without slinging accusations, even of something minor such as WP:OWN. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Drmies, I appreciate the concession as well as the humour. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku, it's hard to write up the things you like when you've reached a certain age (you're not much younger than me) and you discover that the bands from the 80s and 90s that you loved simply aren't covered on the internet like contemporary acts are, no matter how ephemeral the shit is these new artists cook up with their autotune. The magazines from those days, esp. the European ones, simply aren't accessible online and it's a damn shame. I've had a hell of a time writing up bands I liked because it's just so hard to find the sources, but there's nothing I can do about it. Take care, Drmies (talk) 01:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Drmies, that's how I feel when I'm trying to write up older Czech/Slovak bands and artists. Many of them were huge in Europe at the time, but it can be really difficult to find references to them now :( Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

COI edits

Slim Jelly, who states they are a member of the band, should not be editing the article directly per WP:COI. Instead they should be proposing changes on the talk page and discussing. - Who is John Galt? ✉ 02:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)