Talk:Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008/GA1

GA Review

Hi, I'll review this article for GA status. I will have a detailed review for you within 24 hours. For the moment, I'll echo Camaron's suggestion to expand the lead section a little. Bláthnaid ^talk 20:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm supposed to respond? lol. I fixed the lead a little, does it need more? Grk1011 (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good :) Could you add a few words about the number of countries that participated and Eurovision televoting to the end of the lead? Bláthnaid ^talk 20:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the detailed review:

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

The article is interesting and quite comprehensive, and I enjoyed reading it. I have some concerns that need to be addressed before the GA nomination can be passed, which I will list below. The article's GA nomination will be placed on hold for seven days so that the concerns can be addressed. Please let me know if I can clarify or help with anything.

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
Prose quality is good, and the article sections work well. (I reworded a few sentences, BTW) Some sections are in the present tense when they should be in the past. I'll list them for you below.

B. MoS compliance:
There was a little overlinking of the singer's names, but I've taken those out. Everything else complies with the manual of style.
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:
There are some sourcing issues, which I'll list below.

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
Oikotimes and ESCToday have editorial boards so they are OK as sources. However, if you want to try for Featured Article status in the future, I suggest backing these sources up with newspaper articles. I should mention that I was not able to closely check the Greek language sources because I don't know any Greek.

C. No original research:
Depends on the sourcing issues.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:
Covers everything from the national contest to international contest nicely.

B. Focused:
There are some things in the article that could be explained further. I'll list them below.
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
I have concerns about the 2 non-free images, which I will talk about below.

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Doesn't pass at the moment.

These are the issues that need to be fixed before the nomination can be passed.
National final section:

"ERT chose to hold a national selection again for the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 after efforts to find a big name artist for an internal selection failed" —— could you elaborate a little on this? Was there a national selection the previous year? Are internal selections more common?

"This is believed to have happened because ERT sent out the songs to radio stations early." —— needs a reference

"with the winner being chosen via 60% Tele-voting/SMS Messaging and 40% internal jury" —— needs a reference

The end of the 2nd and beginning of the 3rd paragraphs repeat each other. Please take the repetitive information out of one of these paragraphs.

"the jury included Christos Dantis" —— this name not in source given at the end of the sentence.

"while the jury included Christos Dantis, Johnny Kalimeris, Mr. Gontakas and Mr. Andrikakis," —— could you could mention who these people are? For example musician or ERT executive. This is a better source for the jury than the source given in the article.

The international participants are not all mentioned in the source given. However, you could use the National Contest as a primary source, and list their names from the show itself. The citation could be something like National Final, February 27, 2008, ERT.

"The whole show was "Las Vegas show girl" themed." —— Needs a source.

"The show lasted only about two and a half hours" —— "only"? Were previous years' shows longer? You could take the word "only" out of this sentence, if you don't want to write about previous years.

"Kalomoira was the winner of the final and came first in the televoting, and second in the jury vote." —— Doesn't have a source. You can source it to the show if her placing was obvious during the show.

Chrispa section:

"The song is Ethnic style, described as a "Dance Oriental", with lyrics in both Greek and English." —— the source given does not mention "Dance Oriental".

Kostas Martakis section:

"For his stage show, Martakis enlisted the help of one of Sakis Rouvas' dancers from his Eurovision appearance, Irina, who is Fokas Evagelino's protege." — This does not have a reference. Also, can you explain who Fokas Evagelino is?

This section is in the present tense, while the Chrispa section is in the past tense. Please change this section to the past tense.

Kalomoira section:

"with lyrics by Poseidonas Giannopoulos" —— you could add that Giannopoulos wrote the 2007 Cypriot entry? Here is a source for that.

"in a short J-LO dress" —— Is this the brand JLO by Jennifer Lopez? Needs a source.

Result of National Final —— Can you get a source for the percentages? If the percentages were made clear in the show, you can use the show as a source.

At Eurovision section:

"Although Greece was granted a place in the 2008 final because of Sarbel's 7th place finished at the Eurovision Song Contest 2007, it had to compete in a semi-final for 2008 because the EBU decided to regulate all countries except the Big 4 to pass through a semi-final." —— Not all of this information is in the source given. Needs an additional source.

Please name the "Big 4" countries.

"The Maggira Sisters were the commentators for both the semi-final and final while Alexis Kostalas was the Greek jury spokesperson." —— Not all this information is in the reference given, but you can reference it to the semi-final show.

Semi-final section

"Konstantinos Pantzis, the composer, announced that there would be a few tweaks to the song for its appearance at Eurovision" — when was this announced?

The paragraph about the dance routine changes between the past and present tense. Please stick with the past tense. You can source the description about the dance routine to the show.

"She wore clothes exclusively by J-Lo" —— Needs a source

Could you add a sentence or two about the number of countries that voted in the Eurovision semi-finals and finals, and how the votes were cast, because not everybody who reads the article will be familiar with the Eurovision.

Were there any interviews with the singer or songwriter after the Eurovision? Was Kalomoira pleased, disappointed, etc? A little information about her thoughts after the Eurovision would be good. Could you also add some information about how the song charted after the Eurovision?

I think that the two non-free images in the article fail the significance clause of the non-free content criteria. The images do not significantly increase readers' understanding of the article. The images need to do more than just illustrate the event. Image:Kalomoira Martakis Chrispa GreekNF backstage.jpg is slightly blurry, and an image of the three contestants sitting down does not add anything to the article. Image:Kalomoira Live Greek NF 2008.jpg is just of the singer and dancers standing and does not add anything to the article. I think that the images should be taken out of the article or replaced with better images.

Phew, that's everything! This is quite a long list, but most of the issues can (I think) be fixed quickly. Kudos for all your hard work so far :-) Bláthnaid ^talk 20:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you have addressed all the above concerns. (It would be helpful if you could strike out or write "done" under the issues you have fixed.) The only outstanding issue before I can promote this to GA is the uploaded image that needs OTRS permission. You could take it out of the article for now and reupload it when you get permission to use it as a free image. Bláthnaid ^talk 13:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We were keeping track here. I took the second image out, we'll see how that ends up. I don't know about unlinking the bold words at the beginning since I believe they are bolded in several hundred similar Eurovision articles. Also, what is your opinion on the "After Eurovision" section that I added? Grk1011 (talk) 14:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the list! I unlinked the bold words because of the Lead section guideline (part of the Manual of Style), which says "Do not link words in the bold title." I like the After Eurovision section, although it's a pity what happened to the singer's career. I will promote this article to GA. Congratulations :-) Bláthnaid ^talk 23:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]