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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. There is a narrow consensus after a long listing period that the disambiguators given are sufficient, albeit with a bit of chit chat. The separate proposal to amend the spelling didn't find consensus and was not widely considered, but editors are welcome to propose that separately as a fresh RM. — Amakuru (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
– To make a more natural disambiguation. Only two Romanov dynasts with the name Natalya Alexeyevna but one was the daughter of an emperor while the other one was a granddaughter so they held different titles, the daughter omits tsarevna as a prefix in the title even though some other female dynasts have it in their article's name while the granddaughter uses years of birth and death in the article's name to disambiguate, I feel the proposed moves make for an intuitive and natural disambiguation that's preferable to the current titles. Killuminator (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Different titles, no need for any other form of disambiguation. The older Natalya Alexeyevna was the daughter of a Tsar, not an Emperor, so her life predated the use of the grand ducal titles by descendants of Russian monarchs. estar8806 (talk) ★20:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One starts with Grand Duchess and tsarevna is like a princess of a particular rank. We normally add princess as a prefix, there's no good reason to view tsarevna any differently. Killuminator (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If we're going to worry about consistency here (which I would) I think using the title (Tsarevna X Y-evna of Russia) would be preferred as it preserves the consistency of using titles for non-monarchs or consorts. estar8806 (talk) ★21:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not really sure who took care of the formatting when these pages were being named, but I suspect that they were trying to establish consistency with the pages on Tsesarevichs of Russia (though these is no consistency there either). Two of them follow the format "[Name], Tsesarevich of Russia". Another debate about which format ("[Name], Tsesarevich/Tsarevna of Russia" or "Tsesarevich/Tsarevna [Name] of Russia") is more appropriate can take place later on to clean up this mess. Keivan.fTalk21:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand "Tsesarevich" is the title for the heir while "Tsarevich" was the title for younger sons of tsars. Alexei's page should probably be moved, the lede already says "Tsesarevich". estar8806 (talk) ★22:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that it has been discussed for years on end and there was a move proposal in 2015 that was rejected but participation was low. Even if we're going to use tsarevich, it ought to be used as a prefix. Killuminator (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.