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Did you know... that Daniel Klein's Grammatica Litvanica (pictured), the first printed grammar of the Lithuanian language, introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė?

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 01:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Daniel Klein's Grammatica Litvanica (1653) is the first printed grammar of the Lithuanian language which also introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė that is still in use nowadays? Source: "The coining of the grapheme ė can be attributed to Danielius Kleinas, the author of the first Lithuanian grammar, printed in 1653" (see: The Lithuanian language: traditions and trends, page 9).
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- Comment: This is my fifth did you know nomination, therefore QPQ is not yet required.

Created by Pofka (talk). Self-nominated at 08:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC).[reply]

article is very interesting, long enough, new enough, and generally appropriately referenced. QPQ is NOT needed. Reliable sources are used properly throughout the article, and the hook is cited and mentioned in the article. However, I found overlap words "Lithuanian letter letter" in the hook. I can't seem to notice any significant copyvio, so it's good to go. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 19:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Taung Tan: I removed one word "letter". I can't believe I missed that out. Thanks for your kind words. -- Pofka (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't that say "... introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė ..."? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Metropolitan90: English is not my native language. If "the" is required grammatically, then I kindly accept your suggested modification of the hook. Feel free to correct any grammatical mistakes. -- Pofka (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added the suggested "the". -- Pofka (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pofka and Taung Tan: Nice work. Proposing simplifying hook – we just need to grab people's attention, and if you give them too much information in the hook, they won't click through to read the actual article (or might not even read the hook until the end):

ALT0a: ... that Daniel Klein's Grammatica Litvanica (1653) (pictured) introduced the distinctive Lithuanian letter Ė?

Also added "pictured". Another note is that we generally try to limit the number of other blue links in a hook. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: The fact that it was "the first printed grammar of the Lithuanian language" is no less important. I think even more important than the letter Ė. Personally, I think the initial hook is short enough. @Taung Tan: and @Metropolitan90: what's your opinion? If the simplified version suggested by Cielquiparle is a must then I support it, but prefer the initial version if I had to choose between the two. -- Pofka (talk) 19:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, maybe someone else will like the hook as it stands. The last word should change to "today" though, and not "nowadays" which sounds too colloquial. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]