Talk:Gould Memorial Library

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Review: September 10, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Gould Memorial Library appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 June 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Gould Memorial Library once hosted pie-throwing contests to raise money?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gould Memorial Library.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Gould Memorial Library

... that the Gould Memorial Library once hosted pie-throwing contests to raise money? Source: "Students' Faces Stop Flying Pies In Gooey Fund Raising at N. Y. U." The New York Times. March 8, 1952.
- ALT1: ... that the Gould Memorial Library's architect bragged that the library had 16 Connemara marble columns, compared to two at the Low Memorial Library? Source: Dolkart, Andrew S. (1998). Morningside Heights: A History of its Architecture and Development. New York: Columbia University Press. p. 147.
- ALT2: ... that though the Gould Memorial Library has not been used as a library since 1973, its interior was described as being "among the most dramatic and most magnificent in America"? Source: Engber, Daniel (March 25, 2005). "A Plan to Restore a Gem by Stanford White". The Chronicle of Higher Education. Vol. 51, no. 29. pp. B8–B9. If this hook is used, then an image such as File:Bronx Community College - Gould Memorial Library Looking Up at Dome.jpg may need to be used instead.
- ALT3: ... that the Gould Memorial Library, once the centerpiece of New York University's Bronx campus, later lacked funds for restoration? Source: Dunlap, David W. (November 18, 2015). "An Opulent Bronx Library in Decay, and in Search of a Purpose". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that the Gould Memorial Library, once the centerpiece of New York University's Bronx campus, later relied on filmmakers to fund its upkeep? Source: Arenson, Karen W. (July 30, 2004). "Regilding a Bronx Landmark; Getty Gives Community College a $228,000 Architectural Grant". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Iron Gwazi
- Comment: more hooks pending

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Incredible work on this one @Epicgenius: I like hooks ALT0, ALT2 and ALT4 best, but they're all good imo. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Gould Memorial Library/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 00:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately tagged; sources are reliable; Earwig finds no issues.

~~The link in the lead and body to oculus goes to a dab page.~~
- Fixed. It seems like the Oculus (architecture) page was moved just yesterday, as that was where the link previously pointed. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Additionally, the university installed numerous busts of artists inside the library during the 1920s and 1930s. NYU built additional campus libraries": repetition of "additional/ly"; I think you could just cut the first one.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The Hall of Fame was designed to conceal the Gould Memorial Library's foundation; the portion of the colonnade next to the library is circular in plan": the two halves of this sentence are presumably related since they're glued together, but I don't see the connection.
- I have split the sentences. It would have made sense if Gould was round, but it's not. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"it is superseded by the Bronx Community College Library, which opened in 2012." Suggest either "it has been superseded by the Bronx Community College Library, which opened in 2012", or "it was superseded by the Bronx Community College Library in 2012".
- I went with the first one. Gould was closed long before the BCC Library opened. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~"The library, as well as the adjacent buildings, are all clad with": "as well" is redundant with "all"; suggest "The library and the adjacent buildings are clad with" or "all clad with".~~
- I chose the first option here. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The arrangement of the building, with its dome and porticoes, was reminiscent of the University of Virginia's Rotunda." Why "was"? If this is because the similarities were noticed by contemporaries when it was built, I'd make it something "was considered reminiscent" with a date; if it's still true I'd make it "is considered reminiscent".
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Suggest linking or glossing "ambulatory".~~
- I glossed it. The ambulatory isn't mentioned previously in the article (I think I modeled this off the Low Memorial Library page and got lazy). Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~"counting clockwise of the main entrance": unless this is AmEng I'm not familiar with I think this should be "counting clockwise from the main entrance"~~
- Oops, my bad. You're correct. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the seating discussion you're using some digits and some words for numbers; I can see you consistently use digits for seat count, but that probably doesn't comply with the relevant style rules. How about getting around it with a rephrase, like so: "Radiating from the center were eight long and eight short tables; the short tables seated four people, and the long tables seated eight people"?
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Suggest linking brutalist.~~
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The formerly residential area surrounding Washington Square Park had evolved into a commercial neighborhood by the late 20th century": presumably should be 19th century?
- Oops, my bad. Epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"asking the architect if he would be interested in examining plans for NYU's Bronx campus": just checking that "examining" is the intended verb -- it implies that there already were plans for the campus before White's involvement, but we haven't said that, and the following sentence implies that the "original" plan is White's.
- I've fixed this now. The plans that were already in place weren't architectural plans. McCracken wrote that letter to ask White to create the architectural plans. Epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks:

FN 41e cites "The balcony on the fourth level, above the colonnades, contains a plaster balustrade with openwork motifs, interrupted by 16 plaster pedestals with Tiffany glass mosaics." Verified.
FN 100 cites "The library was also used for ... a showcase of old maps of the Bronx": verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I've fixed the remaining issues now. Epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes look good; passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 16 June 2023

An impartial editor has reviewed the proposed edit(s) and asked the editor with a conflict of interest to go ahead and make the suggested changes.

Please add the following text to the end of the third paragraph of the "CUNY use" section (immediately after the sentence "BCC began restoring the library in the early 2020s"):

Gould's dome and oculus were restored at a cost of $18.3 million, and an exit stair was added for $2 million; both projects were completed in May 2023.^[1]

References

^ "Ribbon-Cutting for Completion of Two Projects on Gould Memorial Library's Renovation at Bronx Community College". Bronx Community College. May 30, 2023. Retrieved June 16, 2023.

I now have a COI which did not exist when the article was created. I'm aware that this is a primary source, but unfortunately few better sources exist (these sources are also primary sources). – Epicgenius (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please also add the following template to the top of the page (just after the {{short description}} template and just before the {{use mdy dates}} template). I'm systematically adding {{Use American English}} to articles about NYC landmarks, per MOS:TIES.

Thanks. Epicgenius (talk) 15:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: I have reviewed the edit request and suggest that you go ahead and make the changes yourself. Thanks. Lightoil (talk) 13:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this edit request Lightoil. I've made these changes accordingly. Epicgenius (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Ribbon-Cutting for Completion of Two Projects on Gould Memorial Library's Renovation at Bronx Community College". Bronx Community College. May 30, 2023. Retrieved June 16, 2023.

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