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A fact from Gondal (fictional country) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 June 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Emily and Anne Brontë's Gondal was an early form of science fiction?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/June.

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British Library press release: [1]

A book: via google http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LR2v8ZMVLIQC&pg=PA155&dq=gondal&hl=en&ei=1xDqTaLACNO48gOzuKmcAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=gondal&f=false

Main French refernece: http://books.google.fr/books?id=1CaEJ8EgOpcC&pg=PA24&dq=bront%C3%AB+tuberculosis+Haworth+OR+riding+OR+Yorkshire&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false Gabiteodoru (talk) 11:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cute quote Charlotte wrote

"Branwell came to our door with a box of soldiers Emily & I jumped out of bed and I snat[c]hed up one & exclaimed this is the Duke of Wellington it shall be mine!! [Wellington was the current prime minister of England, and he had defeated the French leader Napoléon Bonaparte at the famous Battle of Waterloo.] When I said this Emily likewise took one & said it should be hers when Anne came down she took one also. Mine was the prettiest of the whole & perfect in every part Emilys was a Grave looking fellow we called him Gravey. Anne's was a queer little thing very much like herself. [H]e was called Waiting Boy[.] Branwell chose Bonaparte."

Gabiteodoru (talk) 11:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking French article references

Things that aren't true:

There is no evidence that lost works were intentionally destroyed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabiteodoru (talk • contribs) 11:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reference [2] justifies everything but the importance of Branwell, *although* the book is very pro-Branwell. Gabiteodoru (talk) 13:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reference [13] does not identify Charlotte as the sister which read the poems, but just says "a sister read the poems". Reference[2] does identify Charlotte. But Emily was FURIOUS!!!!

Gabiteodoru (talk) 14:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Children ages at various stages:

(Charlotte (b. 1816), Branwell (b. 1817), Emily (b. 1818), Anne (b. 1820)). When computing ages, I only took into account years, and not months or days; so they may be off by up to 1 year:

Older siblings die 1825: (9,8,7,5)
Earliest writings, toy soldiers given 1826: (10,9,8,6)
Imaginary worlds (each own an island) idea December 1827 (11,10,9,7)

(it's not clear whether it was Charlotte or Branwell's idea)

Charlotte goes to school (division) 1831: (15,14,13,11)

(it was this time Gondal was created according to [2])

Angria created when Charlotte comes back, in retaliation for Gondal 1834, also first known reference to Gondal according to [5] and intro to Gondal poems: (18,17,16,14)

This is all from reference 2: http://books.google.com/books?id=5F_n_qxvHSYC&pg=PA77&dq=gondal+angria+glass+town+bront%C3%AB&lr=&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES#PPA75,M1

Additional notes

The capitals of *all* provinces were called "Glass Town", hence the name of Glass Town Confederacy. [2]

(btw, I'm using the numbering of French references) Gabiteodoru (talk) 13:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

French reference 13: Emily most of the time destroy notes after transcribing into fair-copy manuscript. Where draft versions survive they only have minor differences. The only draft with major differences that survive is from the Gondal poems "Why ask to know the date—the clime". ... is this notability or what??? Also, (like Byron) she saw poetry as more of a process than a product. Gabiteodoru (talk) 14:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes from French reference 10

"They set Gondal against Charlotte and Branwell's Angria by substituting a Byronic heroine, Queen AGA, for the virulent king of Angria, Zamorna, and by replacing the moral laxity that permeated personal relationships in Angrian society with a rigorous sense of moral consequences in the interactions of Gondalians."

"Emily appears to have taken the lead in creating characters and suggesting the course of events, each sister writing more or less independently of the other on the themes and characters that interested them most within the general outline of the story. Nonetheless, it is clear from the diary papers that they kept each other informed of their current projects, and each sister displayed a keen interest in the work of the other." Gabiteodoru (talk) 13:45, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

reference numbering

Currently using frXX for reference XX from French Wikipedia article. Will fix it. But they ARE real references. REALLY! Gabiteodoru (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the full citations and I've preserved the frXX format by using it as the reference name (see Named References under the Cite button in the edit toolbar). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

... is completely missing. No influence to others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.71.66.105 (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]