Talk:Goethe House

Germany Mid‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Museums Mid‑importance

	museums portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Museums, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of museums on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MuseumsWikipedia:WikiProject MuseumsTemplate:WikiProject MuseumsMuseums articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Architecture Low‑importance

	Architecture portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Goethe House. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060712071120/http://www.goethehaus-frankfurt.de/welcome.html to http://www.goethehaus-frankfurt.de/welcome.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Listing websites in the "Sources" section

@Gerda Arendt I see that last week you put some of the websites we cite in this article in the "Sources" section. I think it looks better and is easier to follow if we don't do that (also because most of the websites are only sited once). Looking at the good articles which use the short-form notation for references, this seems to be standard practice (e.g. Vietnam National Museum of History, Arts Club of Chicago). Is it okay if I delete these from the "Sources" section and leave them as full references (as I have just done now with the Freies Deutsches Hochstift website)? Thanks, Medarduss (talk) 08:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you have to say "Cited sources", standard format for Featured articles I know, the uncited ones being "Further reading". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand your reply. I think all of the sources we use now are cited, I just wanted to remove the websites we cite from the "sources" section, because they don't really work with short-form notation and are better left in "references". Medarduss (talk) 08:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I may have misunderstood from the beginning. What exactly do you mean? References - in this article - should have just names and date, Sources gives the full citation. --

If you look at the references for the Arts Club of Chicago it might be easier. See there, the books are cited with short-form notation, and the websites using full-length references. I was asking if it's ok to do that with our references, e.g. instead of "Besuch 2022" the full URL and then remove the website from the "Sources" section. I think it makes more sense because "Besuch 2022" makes it seem as if someone called "Besuch" has written the article Medarduss (talk) 09:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where Goethe wrote Werther

Medarduss, Gerda Arendt questioned the existing statement "It is also the place where the poet wrote his famous works Götz von Berlichingen, The Sorrows of Young Werther and the first drafts of Faust" here.

This is probably the house's main claim to fame, so would you be able to add a section on Goethe in Frankfurt to the history section? There seems to be enough information in the de:Johann Wolfgang von Goethe article, but not enough references. I agree with Gerda that references which are not connected to Frankfurt tourism or the Hochstift would be preferable. Then the lead could list the most famous works written in the house without needing its own reference. TSventon (talk) 16:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that makes sense, and I agree it would be best to have a non-Hochstift or Frankfurt tourism reference. I will hopefully look into it tomorrow. Thanks for still looking over the article :) Medarduss (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One possible source is https://www.britannica.com/biography/Johann-Wolfgang-von-Goethe, but hopefully you are spoilt for choice. TSventon (talk) 18:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added a better claim and put a little bit in the main body about Goethe writing those books there. Do you think we should have more detail of Goethe's life in the house? Medarduss (talk) 08:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of a summary of Goethe's movements like you have done, but it should probably mention Wetzlar. And then we could mention when he wrote Götz, Werther and Urfaust to show he was in Frankfurt, I say we because I could possibly do it at some point. I was thinking of moving the bits about Goethe to a separate subsection of the history section, but that is less important. As to details of Goethe's life in the house, I don't know what the sources say, so I can't say much. TSventon (talk) 09:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]