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editing

Done a lot of editing to this page. Most of the stuff on the page was copied from the main Wikipedia articles for the games. JDC808 (talk) 15:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Playstation 3 versions/God of war collection

The God of war collection has been confirmed today, it is a collection of God of war 1 and 2, featuring trophies and updated graphics. Someone who is well versed and proffesional at editing Wikipedia should add details about this. Here are some sources: http://www.destructoid.com/incredible-god-of-war-collection-announced-for-ps3-146900.phtml http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/31/god-of-war-collection-blu-ray-disc-compilation-available-this-holiday-season/ --Olifromsolly (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

1up citation

With regards to the recent edits which add a sales figure based on this link, here is why it is not valid as a citation. First, while the blog format does not necessarily mean that a source is invalid, the rule at Wikipedia is that they aren't valid (with a few exceptions such as the official PlayStation blogs, or journalistic blogs such as Joystiq or Kotaku). Blogs of known reliable sources (be they persons or organisations) are valid, depending on the content of course.

Even ignoring for a second that it is a blog though, it is not a valid source. It is stating sales figures but neither gives a source for those figures nor methodology behind where they came from. If they are quoting an official source (such as Sony) or they are an official source, then the figure can be trusted. As far as we know, they are neither of these. If they are quoting a professional sales tracking agency (NPD or similar) or are such an agency, then their figures can be used, but with a pinch of salt. As far as we know, they are neither of these either. As it stands, the linked page gives no source for the figures and simply states them as fact. Do you know the author didn't make them up? No. Do you know if they originate from a proven unreliable source (such as VGChartz)? No. As such, we cannot accept the figures as fact.

Alphathon™ (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I apologise for reverting the second edit; it wasn't intentional. That said, the "Remastered in High Definition" statement that was added was uncited anyway, and should have been placed after the citation for "Classics HD" (the way it was implied that the citation proved either the whole sentence or the "Remastered in High Definition" bit, rather than just the Classics HD bit). Alphathon™ (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

God of War® Collection vs. God of War®: Collection

A recent set of edits by an anon IP (173.81.132.218) saw all occurrences of God of War Collection in the article changed to God of War: Collection (with a colon). I have reverted these changes, but have now noticed that the US PlayStation blog and US PlayStation website both refer to it as God of War®: Collection. I have the game/collection, and both the spine and the manual clearly refer to it as God of War® Collection; it also shows up as God of War® Collection on the XMB. However, mine is the UK/PAL version, so I'm thinking perhaps the title differs between the regions (with the North American version called God of War®: Collection (with a colon) and the UK/EU/PAL version called God of War® Collection (no colon)), especially as it is listed as such on the UK PlayStation website. Could anybody who has the NA version check this? Alphathon™ (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Good pickup. It would appear to be a minor grammatical difference. Do we get down to micro-details like this in articles or not worry? I will abide by your opinion. 125.7.71.6 (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, I don't think it's worth a huge mention, but if accurate (at this point it is only a theory on y part as I don't have a copy of the NA version) I think it would be best if all mentions were changed to the NA version (since it's an SCEA developed game), with a note at the beginning about the PAL naming, if only to avoid confusion and people coming in and stripping the colon. Alphathon™ (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
When the collection was first added, it had the colon, but due to a few websites posting it without a colon, we changed it to reflect that. But then there's those websites you pointed out that have it with. I'll go home this evening and look at mine which is the NA version. JDC808 (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

No colon on NA version. 129.71.208.91 (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

New Table

While this section and table:

God of War installments

There have been six games released in the God of War series. Four games were developed by SCE Santa Monica Studio, and two were developed by Ready at Dawn. One was also developed by Javaground.

Released titles of the series

All games of the God of War-series by system
Title Year PS3 PSP PS2 Mobile Phone Developer Year of reissue on PS3 Comments
God of War 2005 Green tickY Red XN Green tickY Red XN SCE Santa Monica Studio 2009 -
God of War II 2007 Green tickY Red XN Green tickY Red XN SCE Santa Monica Studio 2009 -
God of War: Betrayal 2007 Red XN Red XN Red XN Green tickY Javaground - -
God of War: Chains of Olympus 2008 Green tickY Green tickY Red XN Red XN Ready at Dawn 2011 -
God of War III 2010 Green tickY Red XN Red XN Red XN SCE Santa Monica Studio - -
God of War: Ghost of Sparta 2010 Green tickY Green tickY Red XN Red XN Ready at Dawn, SCE Santa Monica Studio 2011 -

is a good effort, it is leaning towards WP:GAMECRUFT. There is another discussion here [1] that may help in understanding the rationale. Regards Thebladesofchaos (talk) 01:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it was a good effort and if the games were not already on the page as they are right now, I would say keep it. But since we already have each game (in release order like the table) already on the page with brief summaries for each, there's no need for the table. JDC808 (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone removed the logo of the franchise and put instead the image of the new game. This must be removed as long as the game is having its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travsam (talk • contribs) 20:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Taken care of. Hounder4 (Talk) 20:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Parenthesis issue

The parenthesis are unnecessary as it's the exact same information, only difference is you're putting parenthesis around the abilities. It has been stated that parenthesis are unnecessary and break up the prose. They should be minimally used.

Also, how was my comment uncivil? I made an observational statement. JDC808 (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


Games section

Around the time of the announcement of Ascension, some edits by Tintor2 have completely redone the Games section. About 2-3 years ago, me, Thebladesofchaos, and there might have been another user, decided upon the format that is currently on the page which has the games sub-sectioned in their release order with a very brief summary of each game. The only exception to this was with the two collections as they were separate releases, but it would be pointless to make an article for both as both pretty much already have two articles (articles can be made for them, but in my opinion, it would be pointless when they can be sub-sectioned here). There are other game series on Wikipedia that have a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they are doing just fine. JDC808 (talk) 17:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Bluerim, you're claiming that your revision avoids warping the middle. What exactly are you meaning? Reading over your revision, it's almost the same thing, the biggest difference is that the revision I'm arguing for has sub-sections for the games and the revision you're arguing for does not (there's also information differences, e.g. rewording or removing some info with your revision). Like I said in my above post, there are other video game series on Wikipedia that are using a very similar format to what I'm arguing for and they're doing just fine. JDC808 (talk) 22:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, awkward spacing and white spaces. The only awkward spacing I saw was with the image, which I fixed. The white spaces? If you're talking about the white spaces that comes from the sub-sections, what's the big deal with that? Every article that has sub-sections is gonna have that white space between the sub-sections. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the white space between sub-sections. It actually makes it easier to read each section. Also, thoroughly read through your edits. JDC808 (talk) 04:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Came here from the message at WT:VG. From an outside perspective, I think the numerous subsection headings under "Games" break up the flow of the section too much. Take a look at some featured video game series articles (like Kingdom Hearts and Mana (series)) for some inspiration about how to approach this issue. Axem Titanium (talk) 06:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
The Kingdom Hearts page is actually kinda similar, except it doesn't use sub-sections for each game. On the Mana page, I'm not too crazy over the box. I could totally settle on removing the sub-sections, in favor of doing it like the Kingdom Hearts page. If we do in fact do that, I suggest we make two sub-sections under "Games". The first could be titled "Individual games" or something like that and put all the games in their release order like the Kingdom Hearts page does, and the second sub could be titled "Collections" and put the two collections in that section. JDC808 (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
That division between individual and collection games sounds reasonable. I say go for it. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Alright, cool. I can do that here in a little bit. JDC808 (talk) 03:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Now this - [2] - is worth a look. Bluerim (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

As provided by Axem Titanium above, the bolding of the games in Games are modeled after Kingdom Hearts which is a Featured Article. --JDC808 ♫ 01:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hahc21 (talk · contribs) 03:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead

I will start the review this coming week, but now i saw that the lead is kind of strange, mostly the first paragraph: I think it's too long. Regards. —Hahc21 04:07, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see what I can do about that. JDC808 (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I've broken the paragraph up so now there are three paragraphs in the lead instead of two.
I just noticed the first paragraph is about the same length lol. I have an idea, basically do some rearranging as seen here. JDC808 (talk) 05:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, lead seems Okay. I will follow a bit firther :)

Article body

Gameplay
  • "The games are single-player video games" I spotted some kind of redundancy here.
Fixed.
Mmm i was thinking of someting like "The series is comprised of single-player games featuring a third person, fixed cinematic camera..."
Okay, I was just basically doing a quick fix for that, but yours is better.
  • (comment) 5 references at the end is quite long, could you distribute them across the paragraph.
Done. The only reason I did that was because the sources were for each game and they referred to what's in the paragraph.
  • "Magic is also used, with four different abilities usually acquired" the word 'usually' is needed?
The reason it says "usually" is because the two PSP games only have three magic abilities, and the cell phone game only has two. Would "generally" be a better word?
  • "Minotaur Horns were also added as a possible find to increase" I don't completely understand the meaning of "find" in this sentence.
Reworded without using the word "find". How is it now?
  • In the fourth paragraph, you start talking about Item and Fire meters without properly defining them. I found this confusing as i kept reading.
Defined.
  • "Other chests found in the game, containing orbs, are marked with a corresponding color for the orbs (green, blue, and red)." And for what the orbs are?
  • Ok, later in the text you say for what the orbs are, but i think you should write it before explaining how they can be obtained and such.
Rearranged text. How is it now?
  • On the fifth paragrapgh, the first two sentences continue with the idea of the orbs before totally changing the subject. I think they belong better to the 4th paragraph.
Moved the two sentences to 4th paragraph.
  • " on two teams of four where the teams" i spotted some kind of redundancy here.
Fixed. JDC808 (talk) 17:34, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Games
  • "and is tasked by Athena with finding Pandora's Box" >> "to find" instead of "with finding" should be better?
Fixed.
  • "Betrayal is the only game in the series to be released as a 2D side-scroller and released on a non-Sony platform." i think this may need a referencem but not sure.
Okay.
  • "The PS Blog announcement also revealed that Todd Papy would be Game Director.[25]" is this really necessary. I see no info of this on the other paragraphs.
Removed. JDC808 (talk) 04:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Collections
  • "and was published by Capcom[28] and was later released" what if we put a comma instead of the first "and" so we avoid redundancy?
Fixed.
  • "The original God of War and God of War II were ported by Bluepoint Games and use the features of the PlayStation 3," there is something with this sentence that does not completely reads well. I think it may be "and use the features of the PlayStation 3"
Okay, I've replaced "and use the features of the PlayStation 3" with just "and feature".

Article body, part 2

Recurring characters
  • "and exact vengeance follow" exact? What does the word means here?
Exact is being used as a verb here, which as a verb, it means 1.) To force the payment or yielding of; extort, or 2.) To demand and obtain by or as if by force or authority - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exact
We can remove the word if it's confusing.
  • We have two back-to-back sentences starting with "Although". I think it's better of you find a replacement for the first one.
Okay, I've rearranged the sentence. How is it now?
Good.
Adaptations
  • No issues
Music
  • "Praised as a strong album, the album features a wide.." Redundancy of "album"
  • Try with "Praised as strong, the album features.." it may work.
How about "Strongly praised, the album..."?
I don't think that "Praised as strong" and "Strongly praised" are the same. The first says that critic considered the album as "strong", while the second says that critics gave "strong" praise to the album.
Okay, changed. JDC808 (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
  • "than the previous installment." Mmm installment as a reference to the previous game, or the previous soundtrack? if it's in reference to the soundtrack, better if you write "release" or "score" or a similar word.
Okay, and it is referring to the previous soundtrack. I replaced "installment" with "soundtrack".
  • "On November 2, 2010, God of War: Ghost of Sparta – Original Soundtrack from the Video Game was also released" the word "also" is needless.
Removed.
God of War Blood & Metal
  • "The second track, "Shattering the Skies Above" by Trivium, was made into a music video.[74] The additional seventh track – "Even Gods Cry" by The Turtlenecks – was also made into a music video.[77]" I think it's better of you merge them together.
Merged.
  • "1UP.com gave the EP a 2.5 out of 5 stating it's not offensive to the ears and mainstream listeners may enjoy the album."
  1. I think that we've read "EP" quite enoguh on the previous paragraph, so i would be beter if you change it for another word like "album".
Changed.
  1. Also, some text are diretcly copied from the source, so i think you should quotate "not offensive to the ears" and "mainstream listeners may enjoy" to avoid Copyvio.
Quoted.
  • I can recommed the use of {{Infobox album}} here, but that's at your discretion.
Done. JDC808 (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Comment
  • Sorry for the wait. I've been kind of busy and unable to continue the review. I hope to finish it tonight (UTC -4). Regards. —Hahc21 18:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh okay. No problem. JDC808 (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Article body, part 3

Critical reception
  • "have received universal critical acclaim from review aggregates GameRankings and Metacritic." Technically wrong, as MC and GR do not review but compile, you might say that those games have received universal acclaim from most video game journalists, achieving high scores at review aggregates GR and MC.
I've reworded it to "have received universal critical acclaim from several review journalist as compiled by review aggregates GameRankings and Metacritic."
The only reason it was stated like that before is because on Metacritic's website, it says that if a game has received a score of 90 or above on their website, it has universal acclaim.
Great rewording. I know MC states that 90+ is universal critical acclaim, but the issue was that the sentence read like MC was the one reviewing the game hehe. Good.
  • Although the section is well-written, i think it has too many details on the awards received by some games. I think this section should summarize the most relevant awards (a.k.a GoTY, top 25 lists and so on) and avoid other secondary awards, as they [could] distract the reader from the main theme of the section.
Okay. Removed some awards. Should anymore be removed?
No, now it keeps with the main topic without giving unnecessary detail.
  • "The series has also received criticism." I think you could expand a bit further this sentence giving the reader a bit of general imput about what has been criticized.
Okay, how is it now?
Good.
Other appearances
  • "Kratos has also been featured" i think that "also" is not needed.
Removed.
  • "Kratos will also appear as a playable character" same as above.
Removed. JDC808 (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, i'm done with the prose comments. Now i will check the references and go back to you with the verdict. Regards. —Hahc21 16:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

References

  • Ok, i know that work/publisher treatment is kind of confusing and it is not required for GA, so i won't mention it unless you want it. Notwithstanding, i've noticed a few consistency issues like:
  • "Meta Critic" and "Metacritic" (R#83 and 85 as examples)
Fixed.
Almost. Now i see MetaCritic and Metacritic lol. You can fix it later.
  • Sony Computer Entertainment and SCEA for the same website (refs #26 and 27 as examples)
Fixed. Sony Computer Entertainment is now only used on references that are not from the PlayStation.Blog
  • Ref #96 says "Sony Computer Entertainment Inc."
Made it "Sony Computer Entertainment America Press Release" as it's a press release and is not posted from the blog.
  • R#32 lacks most information.
Found a new source. Also added a source for the following date.
  • "" and "SCEA" refs #34 and 35 as examples
  • Some references say "Playstation.Blog" for the same website as SCEA and Sony Computer Entertainment of America, so i think you should write "PlayStation Blog. Sony Computer Entertainment of America"
Fixed. Been making them as PlayStation.Blog (SCEA) or SCEE where appropriate.
  • Ref #48 is a reliable website? I don't know so i ask :)
I don't know for sure.
  • Ref #49, #97, #98 says "IGN.com" while most others say "IGN"
Fixed
  • Ref #62 "allgame" >> "Allgame
Fixed.
  • GamePro goes italiziced, as well as The Hollywood Reporter
Fixed.
  • Ref #94, #119 "1up.com" >> 1UP
Fixed.
  • Ref #117 says "Game Trailers", while #50 says "Gametrailers.com"
Fixed.
  • Ref #116 "ComputerAndVideoGames.com" >> Computer and Video Games
Fixed
  • Ref #105 lacks source name (i assume is Spike TV)
Fixed.
  • Ref #72, #74 uses a different date format than the rest
Fixed.
Fixed.
  • Ref #66 lacks source name (i assume is SquareEnixMusic.com)
Fixed. Had a typo on "publisher" which caused it to not show in the references. JDC808 (talk) 19:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


Verdict

GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
Pass/Fail:

· · ·

—Hahc21 20:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for another great review process. JDC808 (talk) 01:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A-Class assessment

Requesting assessment for A-Class. --JDC808 ♫ 05:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Removed content

I removed this from 'Music' as extraneous detail:

The second track, "Shattering the Skies Above" by Trivium,[1] and the bonus track, "Even Gods Cry" by The Turtlenecks,[2] were made into music videos.

Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Other appearances

Removed section; article is not about Kratos, it is about the series of games. This subject is covered in Kratos (God of War):

Kratos has been featured as a playable character in five other PlayStation games outside the God of War series. These include Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (with "Clubs of Chaos"),[3] a DLC costume for LittleBigPlanet (also included Medusa and Minotaur costumes, and a level sticker kit),[4] Soulcalibur: Broken Destiny (with own stage),[5] ModNation Racers (with "Kart of Chaos"),[6] and the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita versions of Mortal Kombat (including own stage with three stage fatalities).[7] Kratos will appear as a playable character in the upcoming crossover fighting game, PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (with God of War inspired stages, mixed with other games).[8]

Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Music

Removed track listing; extraneous information - article is about game series, not spin-off media products, where this sort of thing would be better placed.

Track listing
No.TitleMusicLength
1."My Obsession"Killswitch Engage3:44
2."Shattering the Skies Above"Trivium4:44
3."Raw Dog"Dream Theater7:33
4."This Is Madness"Taking Dawn4:18
5."Throat of Winter"Opeth5:47
6."The End"Mutiny Within3:18
Total length:29:24
God of War III Ultimate Edition/Ultimate Trilogy Edition bonus track
No.TitleMusicLength
7."Even Gods Cry"The Turtlenecks7:32
Total length:36:56

Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Blood&Metal was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Weissbaum, William (April 6, 2010). "God of War III Exclusive: "Even Gods Cry" Music Video and Interview!". PlayStation.Blog. Sony Computer Entertainment America. Retrieved 2011-02-02.
  3. ^ Hinojosa-Miranda, Chris (August 20, 2008). "Kratos to Swing the Clubs of Chaos in Hot Shots Golf". PlayStation.Blog. Sony Computer Entertainment America. Retrieved 2008-08-21.
  4. ^ Sliwinski, Alexander (October 7, 2008). "GameStop LBP pre-order adds more God of War sackness". Joystiq. AOL. Retrieved 2008-10-15.
  5. ^ Sinclair, Brendan (April 28, 2009). "Soulcalibur forges Broken Destiny on PSP". GameSpot. CBS Interactive. Retrieved 2009-04-29.
  6. ^ Fahey, Mike (March 15, 2010). "ModNation Dated, Kratos, Ratchet & Clank, And Nathan Drake Join The Race". Kotaku. Gawker Media. Retrieved 2010-05-12.
  7. ^ Plunkett, Luke (December 7, 2010). "Report: The God Of War Will Slaughter Mortal Kombat". Kotaku. Gawker Media. Retrieved 2010-12-11.
  8. ^ Kendall, Omar (April 26, 2012). "See PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale in Action". PlayStation.Blog. Sony Computer Entertainment America. Retrieved 2012-05-06.

'Creators' section of infobox

Can we have a consensus on whether the creator field should have the creator of each game as a list or the creator of the series overall? There is a small disagreement between editors about which should be present. Samwalton9 (talk) 23:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

The Creator field should be the person or developer credited with creating the series, not the games. This usually would be the first game's creator, and definitely would be the case here. The individual developers can be listed in the Developer field. --MASEM (t) 00:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I've commented out the extra info, if it belongs somewhere else can someone move it there? I wasn't sure it fit the developer field for this article. Apologies to Lemaroto for reverting your edit. Samwalton9 (talk) 00:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
It wouldn't fit the Developer field for this article, which is a reason why they were listed under creators, since they each had a hand in creating this series. --JDC808 ♫ 03:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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