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Closely related article: Perpetual foreigner

I wanted to share the closely related Perpetual foreigner, which may be an appropriate merge candidate, or at least a useful concept for interlinking.--Pharos (talk) 19:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

There is no need for (comment) in the article title. There is no need to disambiguate this from other articles by the same name. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MelanieN. I will remove it.Oceanflynn (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, I am working on a significant redirection and expansion of this article. The phrase is not just a legal or regulatory term. It is much broader than that - it's a longstanding racial insult. I am drafting a way to bring that out more, even in the lead. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it turns out I just added a new paragraph to the lead. Hope that's OK. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you MelanieN for expanding this article. I had actually considered asking for your guidance with it. I wasn't sure it would survive its first day. I have appreciated your helpful contributions in numerous talk pages over the years. You seem to be able to bring balanced, calm reasoning to most debates and to add constructively to many articles.

Thanks for the kind words. 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

?Because there is already an article with the same name, this article is not found via search engines, would your new iteration resolve that or should there be a disambiguation page?

Wow, I missed that other article when I said you could remove (comment). It is true that Wikipedia accepts articles with the same name but different capitalization. We don't need a DAB page for just two articles. Probably what we should do is use hatnotes. I'll do that. As for the Google search issue, maybe we can get around that with redirects. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did the hatnotes and I created a couple of redirects, but I'm not sure if Google picks up on redirects. What would you think about changing the name of this article to "Go back where you came from" (omitting the word "to")? I did make that into a redirect. But it isn't exactly the wording of the EEOC rule so it isn't ideal for this article. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there are a lot of Google hits for "Go back where you came from"[1] so that might be possible. Also brought up some good articles I will add as references. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

a Google Trends comparison shows that there "Go back where you came from" is searched more often (in most States) than "Go back to where you came from". Does that relate to SEO?Oceanflynn (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about SEO but that does suggest that this would be an OK title for the article. I see you moved it while I was typing! And of course the old title remains as a redirect for any places we may have already linked it. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Melanie I changed existing links too so they go directly to "Go back where you came from". I thought I would work quickly as the number of links seemed to be increasing.Oceanflynn (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's a good sign! if people are linking to it. I gather you were a little hesitant at first about whether this would even be accepted as an article. Clearly it is - a good article and one that was needed. I think it may take a few hours before Google picks up on it. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

?How can this article be globalized? I look forward to seeing your redirection and expansion.

I'm not sure it can be globalized. I think this may be primarily an American expression - because of our long history of immigration and of racial discrimination. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few RSs about the use of the racial insult in other countries, partially in response to last week's Twitter storm. Oceanflynn (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

?I am assuming we should leave the under construction template in place.

I don't think the under construction template is needed. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will work on other projects while you are working on this to avoid unintentional edit conflicts.Oceanflynn (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Racist

The article describes the phrase as racist but I think nativist or xenophobic would be a more accurate term as a person who uses the phrase would likely do so at anyone who is an immigrant or believed to be an immigrant regardless of skin color or national origin. Emperor001 (talk) 19:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I second this statement Goldenbeef (talk) 09:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An example [story] to consider

IMHO no article about [the topic of] "Go back where you came from" would be complete without including some mention of (and a footnote with a link to) the story mentioned below.

a remarkable story ... and (maybe) also a good example

To me it seems that the story recounted here -- that is, at https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2270936/jewish/Helen-Thomas-Told-Me-to-Go-Home.htm -- would be a good example of [an instance of] telling someone to "Go back where you came from".

"IMHO" (...and, "YMMV").

Full disclosure

Over 3 years ago, I posted a link to (something that links, directly or indirectly, to) the story mentioned above, ... on a facebook ["fan"] page for R. [meaning, "Rabbi"] David Nesenoff. I posted it at https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1029609570432538&id=562088407184659 ... which is on (the "wall") (which iirc is now called the "time line") of the ["fan"] page https://www.facebook.com/David-Nesenoff-562088407184659/ .

Actually, I could probably figure out a way to suggest (or even to be bold, and to enter) an "edit" to add such an entry to the article. However, since I am an admin (and in fact, iirc also the creator and the original "owner") of that ["fan"] page [about] R. "David Nesenoff", there might be (in the minds of some readers, at least) an issue of the appearance of impropriety, if I were to make such a change myself.

Note that there would IMHO still be no issue of actual impropriety. It is advisable however to be cautious, -- and let someone else do the editing, "if any", in this case -- because of the risk of the appearance of impropriety.

Quote from the article

Among the things which can be found, if you click the first link above, (either the first thing that looks like a URL, or the word "here" which is an equivalent hyperlink) is the following quoted text:

I was waiting until later in the day to shoot my Israel question at the guests of the Jewish celebration, but something made me fire one round a little early. “Any comments on Israel?”
Hashgachah pratit, divine providence. The ultimate Creator of this story, and all stories, placed in my camera the video snippet that would aid Israel and change my life. “Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine,” she said.
[...] The whole thing was very confusing. So I decided to be a journalist, and I asked her, [Helen Thomas, dean of the White House Press Corps] “Where should they go?”
“Home!”
“Where’s home?” I asked.
“Poland and Germany.”

and ... there is more where that came from.

You be you

It will be up to someone else ("not me") to either make an edit to the article, following this suggestion ... or to decide against such a change.

Since it is not my decision, and the edit -- "if any" -- will not be my edit, there is probably no point in my trying to suggest what a new sentence (or paragraph, or section, or entry in a list, ... etc.) -- "if any" -- should say, and what the "{{cite web}}" template [instance] in (the "ref" tag for) the footnote should say ... other than [that] it might be a good idea to point to the URL https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2270936/jewish/Helen-Thomas-Told-Me-to-Go-Home.htm ... and perhaps to quote [something like] all or part of the <blockquote>d quote shown above.

Any comments?

Any comments? --Mike Schwartz (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Australia's Donald Trump insulted Derryn Hinch.

Pauline Hanson told Derryn Hinch to "go back to New Zealand" on a Sunrise program back in 2018. ABC News Australia has an article about it. Since she's as xenophobic as her American counterpart and used this insult on several people, the article should be in her category as well. 2001:8003:AC50:BF00:D48F:788E:3D:75F9 (talk) 10:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]