Talk:GlassFish

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The acronym FCS should be explained.

Really annoying advertising.

And there is another page on it, too, merge? --Rayc 00:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge sounds good. Mathiastck 22:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page reads more like GlassFish marketing material than an encyclopedia article.

I'd like to see the articles merged, however I don't want to see the advertising merged. Comparisons would be fine, but this is just hype. Pyroman 14:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging sounds good to me. Having two pages is confusing. --Micah hainline 14:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point out the portions that sound like an advert/hype? --Shreeg 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "highlights" and "demos" sections read like advertisement. Lists of highlights, demos, or selling points are not encyclopedic. The intro paragraph seems much more neutral. --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 21:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was selecting a Application Server and the stuff declared as "advert/hype" is simply true, helped me to do the selection, please move it back in. 85.115.15.50 12:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also do not understand some changes of 24.7.112.64 85.115.15.50 12:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned out much of the content to be in line with the Wikipedia's intent. Please let me know if anything else needs to be addressed at shreed AT sun DOT com

--Shreeg 22:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any chance of getting a discussion on what motivated the creation of glassfish? What was lacking in jboss/tomcat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpardee@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 22:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I came here looking for an encyclopedia article that would tell me what GlassFish is. Other than the first sentence, there's not really anything telling me what it is or what it does. The history doesn't really mean much to me without context. Maybe at least state what it's used for, relate it to other products in its area (JBoss, Tomcat, Jetty??)? Thanks. -Leif 98.246.110.54 (talk) 20:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I second what Lief wrote.
After visiting Sun's GlassFish site, and then coming to Wiki to try to understand what GlassFish is, I'm still almost clueless. After reading your introduction, and following all of your links, I am still at a loss as to what GlassFish is.
Topics to consider for edits --
1) What function does GlassFish perform? (make no reference to other technologies)
2) Why would anyone find a need to install it on their web server?
3) Why did Sun apply time to creating the product GlassFish? (This could list the tools that GlassFish will replace or tie together)
3-note) If "Sun didn't have a product which ___ (fill in the blank with a list) before GlassFish", then say that.
4) What tools does GlassFish require of the web-server? (Does it require that Oracle or Perl or php or ASP.NET also be installed on the web-server?)
I'm sure that there are other questions that need to be answered in the Wiki article, but assuming that the reader is an expert on any topic is a dangerous assumption for a Wiki article.
Wiki is supposed to explain, and cross-link. Your article cross-links very effectively, but it doesn't explain.
-Preceding unsigned comment added by User:SCSBarry at approximately 15:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I third that, this is not an encyclopedia article as it stands. Far better stuff has been flagged and deleted without discussion. This needs sorting out by someone who can explain what it is, or it needs deleting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.14.179.93 (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Productizing

Wow, Productizing is not a real word, so not a word I can't even guess what it's supposed to mean. 83.70.28.138 11:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just like GlassFish, then! No-one seems to know what that means or does, either.

It's every bit as much a word as any other verbed noun. Verbing is a fine tradition streching back to the birth of modern english. It's meaning should be clear to any native speaker of the language, "to make into a product", just as the word verbing itself means "to make into a verb". Netdance 17:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:GlassFish logo.gif

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Sun's software versioning is confusing

There are several versions: GlassFish v3 TP2, GlassFish v3 Preview, GlassFish v3 Prelude... which comes before which? All I know is that alphas come before betas. —Tokek (talk) 04:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What are each of these?

Could someone clarify the difference amongst these products?

GlassFish - ?
GlassFish Application Server - ?
GlassFish Server Open Source Edition - latest open source
Oracle GlassFish Server - latest commercial
Sun GlassFish Enterprise Server - ?
Sun Java System Application Server - ?
Sun Java System Web Server - ?

I think I might be missing a few, too. --Zannenzaka (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

This article is a bit poor in term of references. I just did a quick search and found this web reference: Modine, Austin (11th February 2010 07:02 GMT). "Can Sun's GlassFish turn on master Oracle? More like IBM than you know". The Register Applications. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help).

--Anneyh (talk) 10:51, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But what does it do?

After reading the article, I have no idea what GlassFish actually does. What is its purpose? I see that it is an "open source application server project", but I'm not clear on anything beyond that. Does it help create server applications? Does it help manage them? Does it provide a specific service? Is it an end application or a framework? I have no idea after reading this article. -Thunderforge (talk) 14:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Payara Server article?

While editing the Payara Server article, I noticed there was very little actual substance to it. Most of the information that would be relevant to the topic is contained on the GlassFish page, from which Payara Server was originally derived from.

If there's no pressing need to keep an individual article around for Payara Server/Cloud, perhaps it could be mentioned on the GlassFish page? There's already a section mentioning the end of Oracle commercial support and the subsequent creation of Payara Server. I'm very new to Wikipedia editing so I want to make sure I'm doing this right lest I accidentally break something, but I believe a merger would be appropriate here.

Note: Payara Server may meet notability requirements, as doing a quick search shows a bunch of installation tutorials, comparisons with GlassFish, etc. However, there's still the issue that there simply isn't much to put on the Payara Server article, so I don't think the article should be necessarily kept around.

Tl;dr: merge Payara Server into GlassFish because the former article contains very little unique information. Perzikbloesem (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a fine idea!

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunatelly you broke the infobox for Payara. I have fixed the presented info, but I could not find any way to link Payara's wikidata from the page of GlassFish. Also note that GlassFish and Payara went different ways from the crossroad around 2017, now they are diverging. But yeah, the wiki looks to the past not to the future so it may have sense to merge Payara to GlassFish for now.

As it is a fork of GlassFish, I will try to add other forks to the list, and perhaps the introduction should be updated too (obsoleted info). Dmatej (talk) 20:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to stress that the Payara Platform is not a fork from GlassFish. Payara may have originated from GlassFish but they are fully separate entities. Yes, they both rely on Jakarta EE, and migrations from GlassFish to Payara are perhaps simpler than others, but one is a project supported by the Eclipse Foundation, the other is from Payara. Therefore I believe Payara should have its separate page. 92.18.134.167 (talk) 16:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to stress that the Payara Platform is not a fork from GlassFish. Payara may have originated from GlassFish but they are fully separate entities. Yes, they both rely on Jakarta EE, and migrations from GlassFish to Payara are perhaps simpler than others, but one is a project supported by the Eclipse Foundation, the other is from Payara. Therefore I believe Payara should have its separate page 92.18.134.167 (talk) 16:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Payara may have originated from GlassFish but they are fully separate entities. <-- That's what a software fork means. MrOllie (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Payara is a registered trademark and a separate company with its own trademarks, and legal status. Merging Payara Server with the GlassFish page misrepresents the legal status of the company and its products. The Payara products has an identity that is distinct from GlassFish, which is a project supported by Eclipse, and misrepresenting this distinction could lead to confusion within the developer and enterprise communities regarding licensing and support. The community around Payara is independent and separate from the GlassFish community, and conflating the two would do a disservice to the distinct developer and user bases. Suggestion for merge is wrong and will misinform readers. Payara Server hould be separate page as it was. Valk11120 (talk) 12:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is not sufficient sourcing to meet the requirements for an independent Wikipedia article (given at WP:NSOFTWARE). The choice is either merge or deletion, splitting it back into an independent article again really isn't an option. MrOllie (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]