Talk:Glasgow (Scottish Parliament electoral region)

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Election results

Additional member results need context in terms of constituency results, which help to determine how additional member seats are allocated. Laurel Bush 10:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Context now provided. Laurel Bush 10:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Boundaries

I note removal of reference to Renfrewshire. The Govan Holyrood constituency was created in 1999 with the boundaries of the Govan Westminster constituency. In 1999, and until 2005 (when the Westminster constituency was replaced with new constituencies), the Westminster constituency did include part of Renfrewhire, and, at present, the Holyrood constituency is unchanged, retaining the boundaries it had when created. See The 5th Periodical Report of the Boundary Commission for Scotland, which details 2005 changes to boundaries of Westminster constituencies, and shows pre 2005 Glasgow Govan covering part of Renfrewshire. Laurel Bush 11:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The Glasgow Govan did originally contain part of Renfrewshire however I am sure there was a land transfer between the Councils around the Breahead area and this map shows the constituency being entirely within Glasgow City[1]

Cheers. Unfortunately my computer will not read the page you have referred to. Any ad hoc local government boundary change must post date the rewiew re Westminster constituency boundaries, and I would be a bit surprised if new boundaries follow exactly the 1999-defined constituency boundaries. Local government reviews often pay little heed to constituency boundaries, and I imagine at least one other constituency may be involved. Anyway, I do feel articles about constituencies and regions should try to mainatin some history of boundaries, indicating dates of changes, rather than presenting new information as if it has been true since a constituency or region was created. Also, if articles re the Glasgow electoral region need updating because of local government boundary changes, then so do articles about at least one other region (West of Scotland in this case). Laurel Bush 16:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

And perhaps "Politics of Glasgow" needs updating, under "Scottish Parliament" and under "Wards". And when did the change become effective? Did some Renfrewshire councillors find themselves suddenly members of Glasgow City Council? Laurel Bush 10:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

See my comment here. The change took place in 2002, but I think few if any constituents were affected. Catchpole 11:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The area affected looks big enough to me to include at least one ward. Also, I gather the change reduced, did not enlarge, the city area: the constituency does now include part of Renfrewshire. Laurel Bush 12:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

From the Boundary Commission for Scotland 5th Periodical Report - 14/12/04 - [2] paragraph 16 of the Glasgow City Council area review:

"16. Following publication of our provisional proposals, the boundary between Glasgow City Council area and Renfrewshire Council area was amended by The Glasgow City and Renfrewshire Council Boundaries (Braehead) Amendment Order 2002. Accordingly, on 23 October 2003, we published revised recommendations to reflect the realignment of the boundary between Glasgow City Council area ward 51 (Drumoyne) and Renfrewshire Council area ward 27 (Deanside). Whilst an area of land was transferred between the Council areas, no electors were affected by this boundary change."

So an area of land was moved but as nobody lived there, the population of the constituencies didn't change. Catchpole 12:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So seeing as nobody in the Glasgow electoral region actually lives in Renfrewshire according to the above, I think it's safe for the reference to be removed. Catchpole 12:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me at present, (reading 5th Review 'before and after' maps) like any change circa 2002 was very minor, and the Holyrood constituency (with boundaries of pre 2005 Westminster constituency) included part of Renfrewshire in 1999, and still does so now. Laurel Bush 16:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The story I have got at present:

As created in 1999 the Holyrood Govan constituency straddled the local government boundary between Renfrewshire and Glasgow City.
In 2003 a local government boundary review resulted in a very small change, involving no electors, to the local government boundary, but this change still left the constituency straddling the boundary.
In 2005 the Westminster Govan constituency was abolished, but the Holyrood continues in use, straddling the local government boundary.

Laurel Bush 12:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I don't agree. The Holyrood Govan constituency was wholly in Glasgow City when it was created in 1999 (as a copy of the existing Westminster Glasgow Govan). There is no evidence that the Westminster Glasgow Govan constituency prior to 2002 contained any Renfrewshire wards.
When the Braehead centre opened it was in the middle of the existing border between Renfrewshire and Glasgow City, so in 2002, the boundary was moved so all of the centre was in Renfrewshire. This change resulted in the new Braehead part of Renfrewshire being part of Glasgow Govan, but as nobody lives in the shopping centre, no electors were effected. Catchpole 12:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK. But the 'disputed area' does looks pretty big for one including no electors. Laurel Bush 15:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC). I hesitate re changes in "Politics of Glasgow". Laurel Bush 15:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

It seems when Glasgow Govan was created in 1999 it was entirely within Glasgow City, in 2002 following the the boundary change the Braehead shopping centre are was transferred to Renfrewshire see this map [3] --Barry^talk 16:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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