Talk:Gisele Bündchen/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Trivia

I think all the awards she has given that are listed forever in the trivia section should be separated into an Awards section. If anyone knows the dates or can find them, that would tidy up the article and make it more organized. --Shrek05 23:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not change the section heading back to "Trivia". Trivia per se is not encyclopaedic, so if you insist on calling it that it must be removed altogether or incorporated in sentence structure into the article. To avoid that for the moment I changed it to an acceptable term. Doc ♬ talk 17:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Since no one seems to read or understand the guidline I'll put the rest of the items here for article incorporation

Doc ♬ talk 18:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• She has five sisters: Raquel, Graziela, Gabriela, Rafaela and Patrícia (who was born five minutes younger than Gisele, but is not an identical twin).

• Gisele originally wanted to be a professional volleyball player and had even thought of becoming a member for Brazilian team, Sogipa.

• Forbes magazine named her the best paid model of all time. Her personal fortune is valued in 150 million dollars, and she is on the Guinness Book of Records as "the world's richest supermodel".

• Gisele appeared in more than 7,000 magazine covers around the world. The only woman who made more covers was Princess Diana.

Okay, I started the job. I went from the beginning to the end of the "Career" section. loulou 18:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

POV

IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO INCLUDE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT A PERSON'S LOOKS IN AN ENCYCLOPEDIA ARTICLE. YOU DON'T SEE ARTICLES IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA SAYING THAT A PERSON IS BEAUTIFUL, HOT, WHATEVER. THAT'S RETARDED AND UNPROFESSIONAL. I TOOK OUT ALL THOSE REFERENCES YESTERDAY BUT SOME IDIOT REVERTED MY EDITS WITHOUT EXPLANATION. THIS ARTICLE IS NOW ON NPOV DISPUTE THANKS TO YOU. 207.200.116.68 02:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I completely agree. This article seems like a personal article. There are words like She made another great move. She is adored by all...It seems as if each sentence is describing how great she is. It seems like someone's personal opinions. Lil Flip246 16:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't think many are interested in Gisele's face. Her face is not particularly pretty. She's famous for her long legs and well-endowned bosom. She's a body. That should be depicted in the wiki article photo. The face should be reserved for Audrey Hepburn and Milla Jovovich, who don't have much of a body.

A facial close-up is more than well appropriate for articles such as this, no matter what kind of person we're talking about. This is a biography article. It doesn't matter whether the person is some leggy supermodel, or a novel writer. To add a picture showing the body with the premise that "everybody is probably more interested in the rest of her, and not her face" would reflect a biased opinion, even if that wouldn't be immediately obvious to an outsider that just found the article. What I'm trying to say is, we shouldn't think facial close-ups aren't appropriate for model articles just because they are models.--Kaonashi 16:52, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

She's wonderful because she's simple, natural, spontaneous. I saw her in Bahia and is incredible beautiful. --Mateusc 03:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

i really don't see how she's curvaceous. she's got barely any hips or thighs. since when was 'curvaceous' only about boobs? hers are implants anyway. CheeseLover 05:14, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Crap...! Anyway, she's got a body not a face. And will ANYONE get the fucking ref for them kissing? Personal Life. Great Sentence there without a Ref, I'm deleting with no mercy until a ref comes up. It sucks a LOT because biographies now cannot be without refs ---> They live off ref, no ref = no article. It's like accusing someone getting raped. That isn't nice, is it? 121.7.92.91 (talk) 18:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Since she is German-Brazilian, does Gisele speak German, and is she a member of the IELB? -Clauf 08:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

No, Is not common German descendent people speak german in Brazil.--Rick Browser 00:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Gisele doesn't speak German. It's not as common nowadays for Brazilians of German ancestry to speak German. IELB? I don't know Gisele's religious affiliation but I think she is Catholic considering most Brazilians of German ancestry are. M P M 10:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia sense of humour

From the article:

She came in second in the national Elite Look of the Year contest - Claudia Menezes, from Bahia, was the one in the first place.

I think that might be the funniest use of a red link ever. Wikipedia, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. Soo 13:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Errr... okay. Whatever floats your boat. 89.213.25.184 10:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Dress Size

Dress size 6–8? Not with her measurements. More like 2, but I lack an official source.OK

Where on earth do these dress sizes come from? When I had her measurements, I was 5' 9" and a size 12! Okay that was over twenty years ago, but the sizes have gotten *smaller* since then, because I actually grew and filled out after being in high school, and became a size *10*! Is this a European thing, or an expensive clothes thing??FlaviaR 06:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

tattoo

Why does the article say: "Nervous, she decided to get a blue star tattoo...."? What connection does anxiety have with her decision to get a tattoo?

Maybe so that people would look at the tattoo instead of her? 70.50.173.88 17:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Reduce Trivia

Could someone reduce the trivia section? It is longer than the article itself. Thanks! loulou 04:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I cleared up the first part of the trivia section. I'll do the second part if no one else wants to. loulou 04:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I finished the trivia section! We should mage an awards section for her. loulou 00:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The trivia is way too long. There's alot of not important facts in it. Lil Flip246 16:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Lutheran?

There is no source that I have found indicating that she is Lutheran or even holds Christian beliefs. Her background is probably Lutheran, as she is of German heritage, although I have yet to find a source that shows what she identifies herself as religiously. Until then, I am taking it out. Shamir1 06:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This doesnt mean much, but in a short interview she had been wearing a cross, in case anybody cares. --Shamir1 03:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Gisele has stated in an interview that she believes in God but isn't religious. Since that vague statement is the only thing I've ever seen in print on her exact religious beliefs, it is probably best to say nothing on the subject. As an aside, assuming that a South American is Lutheran just because they are of German heritage would be a mistake. Most South American Germans are in fact Roman Catholic. Indeed, even in Germany itself, Protestants and Catholics are spilt nearly 50/50. You have to move further North to Denmark and Scandinavia to find nations that are nearly all Protestant.Bogan444 02:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

According to her offical Myspace site Gisele is catholic. it's confirmed as her own site as her sister helped confirm it.

--Wikipedia Fan

On this subject (i.e. that of her Catholicism), I'm wondering if someone should insert a reference to her recent comments about the Catholic church's stance on abortion, premarital sex, etc. It would most likely go under Section 5 of the article. Woodnwheel 15:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Leo

What year did they start dating?? This article needs to include that information, because he was her most famous boyfriend. Lil Flip246 23:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links

Occasionally acceptable links

Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

It should be discussed as to which listing of fansites should be included, as imdb is not a source of these. I believe that the squidoo lense is a good source external links and is not spam.

Magazine covers

I just reverted a bunch of edits that insist that Gisele has been on over 7000 magazine covers. This strikes me as highly unlikely. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof, so I'd like to see a source. Also the list of news stories is useless. Integrate them into the article as citations if they are relevant. Soo 12:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

She did NOT grace over 7000 covers. It's imposibble. Claudia Schiffer still holds the record of the supermodel with the most covers, with over 900 magazine covers. It is highly impossible that Gisele who is younger than Claudia was able to surpass her magazine covers. It was just the Gisele fans who wanted to make her seem as the biggest supermodel, when she was not. I checked FMD, and she had like 100 something magazines listed. Lil Flip246 15:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not true. You can check the print edition of the Guinness Book and you will see. Plus, just watch her interview on Youtube on Regis Philbin show and he is just saying that she made more covers than any other model in the history of the game. Claudia Schiffer had this title but today we are in different times. You can send a message for IMG and they will tell you exactly how many covers shed did. Plus: Channel 4, from UK, showed a documentary about the 30 Greatest Supermodels of All Times, in wich Gisele came at the second spot (after Kate Moss) and they said that she made mover covers than any other model and she made more money than any other model too. The top five supermodels are: 1-Kate Moss 2-Gisele Bundchen 3-Cindy Crawford 4-Naomi Campbell 5-Claudia Schiffer

Can you give me your source??? Where does it state that she has graced over 7000. I highly doubt that. Claudia still holds the record with over 900. I highly doubt Gisele, who is much younger than Claudia, who had a longer career than Gisele. Lil Flip246 15:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I already give you the source - Channel's 4 documentary "30 Greatest Supermodels of all times". You can check this on the print version of 2006 Guinness Book too. and if you want, you can go to Youtube and watch her interview on the Regis Philbin show and he will say that she has mad emore covers than any other model.

Give me a link, or write down what it says on Guiness. Where does it say she graced over 7000?? Regis saying she's graced more than any model, doesn't say anything about over 7000 covers. Plus how would he know anything about the fashion industry?? Lil Flip246 20:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The Channel 4 thing is probably saying she's graced more covers than any other model that year. But it is not true that she's graced over 7000. Claudia Schiffer still holds the record with the most covers at over 900. I higghly doubt Gisle who's had a smaller career timewise, has had more. Plus you don't have a good source. Lil Flip246 20:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Claudia Schiffer was one of the biggest models of the 90's, but she's does not have the same presence in the fashion that she had in the past. Gisele is arguably aclaimed as one of the models who made more impact in the fashion history in all times. That's why she was named the 2nd. greatest supermodel by Channel 4 and also the Hottest Supermodel in the World by VH1. Today we have a lot of magazines and is a different time. Regis Philbin is a professional and he would never say anything on his show that wasn't true. You can contact Gisele's agency - IMG - and ask them for the truth, and they will tell you. Gisele is the model who most appeared in magazine covers, i'm sorry.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 19:57, 8 August 2006

Here are some links: http://www.cbs.com/specials/victorias_secret_2005/models/gisele.shtml http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20051017cbs02 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 21:28, 8 August 2006

The opening paragraph is be just review the bare facts, not have all the extra material that is already in the article proper. Doc ♬ talk 03:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

This is all Guinness says: "Supermodel With Highest Annual Earnings: The world's top-earning model is currently Gisele Bundchen (Brazil), who earned $12.5 million (£8.3 million) in 2001 according to the Forbes Celebrity 100 list released on June 21, 2002. Gisele, labeled the most beautiful girl in the world by Rolling Stone magazine, was allegedly discovered by talent scouts while eating in a McDonald's restaurant." -- Zanimum 15:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not asking about how great of a model she is. None of your sources are answering my question. My question is where did you get the "info" that she graced 7000 magazine covers??? I wasn't asking about her greatness. I wasn't asking about how popular she was. Lil Flip246 16:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What? I was saying that if Guinness was the original contributors' source, yet Guinness does not confirm the fact, the fact is wrong. Simple as that. How does popularity link to money, anyway? -- Zanimum 17:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Disputed edits

I don't know who is doing this with this article, but it's wrong. You can missed up the things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 16:55, 9 August 2006

On the contrary, your edits are using unencyclopaedic language and removing things that have been arrived at by consensus. You are very close to being declared a vandal and have administrative action taken against your edits. Several concerned editors here have reverted your edits and will continue to. Please discuss any future changes here on the talk page before making them on the namespace article. Doc ♬ talk 22:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What i'm doing is correct the informations that you are mistaken. Just check the links i'm giving.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Andnanso (talk • contribs) 17:14, 9 August 2006

Please read the welcome at the top of your personal talk page. Read the simplified rule set and try to follow those guidelines. Also read on your talk page about the 3 revert rule which you are nearing. You are not following any accepted Wikipedia guidelines. You are not signing your talk page entries, you are not using encyclopaedic language. Doc ♬ talk 22:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverting trivia

Excuse me, I was wondering if you were the one who keeps reverting the trivia on the Gisele Bündchen page. If you are can we please talk on the Gisele Bündchen talk page? Thank you. loulou 17:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not. All I've done was incorporate the information into the article, what ultimately should be done to most of the trivia. You can, of course, look in the edit history, see who has been removing the content you speak of. But of course all information should be properly referenced, or else it is fair game for removal. -- Zanimum 17:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, my problem was that it was the other way around! Someone keeps putting trivia that is longer than the page itself, and I keep editing and deleting it. loulou 17:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's good that you're one of us, not on the dark side. Thx! -- Zanimum 17:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I realise you're exaggerating, but there's no need to create an us-and-them situation. All the editors to this article are trying to improve it, albeit with some having more success than others. Soo 19:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Richest Supermodel??

I think the Guinness Book has that one wrong. I'd guess that this record is actually held by Sarah O'Hare, Rupert Murdoch's daughter-in-law. What do you think? Leeborkman 06:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

By what standard could Sarah O'Hare be considered a "Supermodel"?Bogan444 02:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Edits by 201.34.190.71

User:201.34.190.71 keeps reverting the clean up and re-write improvements back to a badly written version of the article. After notifying them of this, I received the response:

"The article that you keep uploading is wroted in a very bad english. My article is more complete." (User talk:201.34.190.71)

I think we need a third party to step in and comment to avoid an edit war. 70.52.228.186 17:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Modeling Section

I've cleaned up that section a bit, and removed references to her as "the" model of the millennium until someone provides a source. I know she graced the cover of that edition, but it was with other women. If the article specifically cites her as such, provide the cite. I also removed the reference to "naturally small breasts" in the photoshopped "Return of the Curve" editorial. Gisele does have naturally small breast, but by the time of that shoot, had gotten implants which can hardly be regarded as small. Therefore the reference in that context is confusing. And again, claims that it provoked an unusual amount of letters to the editor would have to be sourced. There are other problems with this section. Her Apple contract, although perhaps interesting to us computer nerds, hardly rates as warranting its own paragraph. Her fashion contracts are far more lucrative and for a model, far more prestigious. So to single that out is just weird. The section is still messy, but its getting better.Bogan444 03:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Gisele Bundchen on Myspace

http://www.myspace.com/giselebundchen

Gisele Bundchen's Myspace page is located here.. Alessandra Ambrosio has confirmed it is her as for more proof well I am the one who is designing it.

-- Mike A

Her official website made no mention of an "official" myspace page. The page is one of the few that claims to be official so I removed it.(Number1spygirl 02:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC))

Well It is her Myspace.. she told me she doesn't have it listed on her official site since she doesn't want to be overwelmed with add requests. Alessandra confirmed it was her on myspace as did her boyfriend Tom Brady and I also talk with her on a weekly basis so please revert the change.

All you need to do is source the reference where Tom or Alessandra confirmed it was her. What you are saying might be true, but it is just as possible you are a lunatic or a troll. That's why wikipedia requires the source.Bogan444 21:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ominous 245

I think it's great that you know the models personally but it's part of the rules here that there should be no original research. (Number1spygirl 10:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC))

Ok, Prove to me this isn't Gisele.. if its not its a pretty good copycat, Some other models I know in real life told me it was her and she often times posts in Portoguese. Alessandra Amrbrosio even told me it was genuine. And she would know the real Gisele as she sees her often. Otherwise Gisele wants her myspace to be seperate from her official site.. hence why none of her design team did the work on it and only me. -- Ominous245

Please cite references that claims the Myspace page is official. We just can't take your words for it.(Number1spygirl 01:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)).

Alessandra has NO Myspace - this has been confirmed in her official forum. Gisele does NOT have a Myspace —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.232.221.37 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Why must you people insist on uploading the most hideous and random pictures of people on Wikipedia? Come on, she's the biggest model in the world today; surely you lot can come up with a better display picture than THAT.

Ugly picture of Gisele Bündchen

In my opinion, user João Felipe C.S posted a very ugly picture of Gisele. The other pic I posted seems to be more beautiful, as Gisele really is. Opinoso 21:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better to put an image without any watermark on it. (Number1spygirl 00:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)).

Gisele Bundchen Stock Index

Much better! Thanks! Magkaz (talk) 03:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Main picture

Please people, please stop changing the main picture 3 times a day. Let's just pick one and leave it. There's an edit war going on between a few editors who do nothing but keep reverting each other's edits of the main picture in the article. From now on, if you do not agree with the current picture discuss it here first, don't arbitrarily just change it to a different one just because that's the one you like better. SWik78 (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, enough with the edit war. It's very disruptive and the picture changing does nothing for the overall information content. ----Ðysepsion † ^{Speak your mind} 17:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The picture GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg has been in this article for a long time. Cantarevolare is the one who is changing to another picture. Tell him to stop that. Opinoso (talk) 20:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If he starts reverting, I will ask him to stop. In the meantime, I politely ask that everyone else also stop reverting it. SWik78 (talk) 20:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I see bad people's reactions when they see the picture GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg. Almost everybody that I show the article don't like the image, stating that she's seeming older than her real age. I really don't like GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg, but I'm not more changing, you both choose.

I tried! Cantarevolare (talk) January 2008 (UTC)

All the pictures of Gisele Bundchen at Wikipedia look terrible. Somebody should bring beautiful pictures of her, not these ugly pictures we see here. Opinoso (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I think they're fine for what Wikipedia is. I would agree with you about getting nicer looking pictures if this was a fashion blog or some kind of online portfolio but this is only an encyclopedia. If you want, post the links to all of her Wikipedia images in this talk page and ask people for their opinions. If you get a concensus (not just a majority vote) then it can be changed. Till then, I wouldn't worry to much about whether or not it looks pretty. It's not that big of a deal. SWik78 (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Cantarevolare, I don't like GISELE BUNDCHEN3.jpg, I'd prefer any other picture. FireOcean (talk) 11:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I vote for GiseleBundchen.jpg Cantarevolare (talk)

Most famous?

Just because she's the richest & the highest paid model doesn't mean she's the most famous one. Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss and/or Tyra Banks (pre-talk show days) are more recognizable than her worldwide. (Number1spygirl 16:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)).

Naomi Campbell, in some places, is more famous than her, however belongs to another generation of models, Tyra Banks is also older than Gisele and well known just in U.S.A., Kate Moss appeared at fashion scene more than ten years before Gisele, and today is really famous just in Europe, North-America and some Asian countries. Gisele Bündchen is the most famous model of her generation! (Cantarevolare 10:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)).

IPA for "Gisele Bündchen"

I've requested a IPA for her name on the Wikipedia:Reference desk. With that, we'll be able to turn most of the current bullet point on her name into a footnote. -- Zanimum 15:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I made some attempt at correcting the pronunciation but I think the IPA bits should be moved to the beginning anyway and not be in the "about" section (I'm too lazy to do that right now). Cwilli201 17:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected the pronunciation [1] but someone have erased it!!! [2] I'm gonna fix it again... &ndash User:Usien/ass

I don't know why the hell there's an annoying anonymous reverting my editions with a completely wrong pronunciation key, I'm gonna restore it again. &ndash User:Usien/ass 13:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the person that is changing anything, but I am just wondering how you are dealing with the pronunciation of her first name (I don't know IPA). Properly pronounced, there is a long "e" at the end, but the English speaking media treat it as a silent "e". Gisele rolls with the punches and has accpeted the fact she has become "Gis-El", but her friends and family still call her "Gis-el-E", and that is her given pronunciation. Not really advising you on anything, just curious as to how you have dealt with it.Bogan444 22:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Not to be rude/silly, but is it really "gee-zell-EE" instead of "gee-zell-UH"? From what little I know of German, the latter sounds more likely - but I will bow to your superior knowledge if you say so.FlaviaR (talk) 10:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You are thinking of the name "Gisela", which is not uncommon in the German-speaking world. "Gisele", on the other hand, is _very_ uncommon, and I can't think of a smooth German pronounciation. (I'm German.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.143.147 (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

My God, Gisele is Brazilian, not German. Her pronunciation is in Brazilian Portuguese, not in German.

Her name in Brazil is "Gee-sé-lee". That's the correct pronunciation. Opinoso (talk) 22:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Advertisements pictures

I can't understand the reason why the user Yamla is erasing all advertisements pictures on Gisele Bündchen article! There's no motive. The Wikipedia's rules allow that! Mywikipedista (talk) 09 February 2008 (UTC)

They most certainly do not. You have repeatedly been pointed to WP:IUP. --Yamla (talk) 03:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

what is her height???

How tall is she? her height doesn´t appears in the articleLithop 20:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

She is 5'11 feet tall.--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Gisele song

I think Gisele by Gabriel Guerra should be mentioned. This is the only article in English I can find though. [3] Number1spygirl 12:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, there's numerous pictures of gisele in EXTREMELY high qualityonline, whether it be in high-couture or in the victoria's secret fashion shows or catalogs. There's definitely better choices out there.--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Mistakes in the article

I corrected some mistakes in the article. It says that Gisele was taken to São Paulo by a course, instructed by Dilson Stein. This is not true. All her biographies say that she went to São Paulo in a school excursion and somebody from an agendy saw her there and inveted her to be a model.

It seems somebody was trying to promote this Dilson Stein. Opinoso (talk) 13:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Please opinoso, discuss any changes to the article here before proceding with editing the article. Please, present your references that support your argumentation. Thanks for your cooperation.

--Mhsb (talk) 06:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed link to Gisele Bundchen.NU | Your #1 Source for Everything Gisele Bundchen because it was no longer active. -Zeus- 22:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by -Zeus- (talk • contribs)

Social activism/activist?

For sure all those things Bündchen does are honorable and enhance her public image, but I doubt whether this makes her an "activist". And I wouldn't label her charity work as "activism". Of course it's nice of her to it, but we shouldn't blow it out of proportion. Any arguments? --Catgut (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

---I'd tend to agree. Gisele occasionally lends her name to social causes and donates to charity. This hardly constitutes "social activism" and if this were the standard nearly every single person of note on the entire planet would classify as a "social activist". For the purposes of an encyclopedia, the term should really be limited to those who are especially known for their activism. I'd also question devoting an entire paragraph to the "Lebron James Controversy". To the extent that it is a "controversy", it revolves around James and Vogue. She's completely incidental to the story.Bogan444 (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Right, Bündchen's 'social activism' seems more like charity work. Nice of her, but social activism is certainly something else. --Catgut (talk) 23:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Great causes as protection of Amazon Rainforest water source look like social activism and she's known for that. --Cantarevolare (talk) 05:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Whatever the cause may be, what Bündchen does is the usual charity work that enhances a prominent person's public image. Nothing else. Don't forget, she is the sixteenth richtest woman in the entertain world, and owns a fortune of 150 million dollars. And then, for example, she donates a percentage of the earnings reached with her line of sandals to some projects. We don't even know how much that is, by the way. She lends her face to some other good causes. As I stated above, all of that is nice of her, but really nothing special. Social activism would definitely require a much higher level of personal involvement. See Activism and follow some of the wikilinks. Charity work alone is not social activism. Or are any reports available that Bündchen has participated in protests or rallies, for example? Do we know whether she at least donates money from her personal fortune (which would also be just charity)? Again, what she does is nice, but certainly not sensational, and always in connection with her professional goals. Today, charity activities of prominent people always serve as a tool for PR strategies. As this here is an encyclopedia, so we have to take care that those stragies don't influence our articles (WP:NPOV). Let's take the sandals, for example. Does she earn money with them? Let's assume, she does. Therefore, if more people are attracted to buy the sandals because a good cause is attached to them, then Bündchen also earns more money (correct me, if I'm wrong). I personally know from someone doing charity, that many of the big stars still get 50% of their usual fee when they go to charity dinners or parties. Of course, one could say, that's better than nothing. But it's not activism. Unfortunately, the whole charity business has obviously become a business, it's all about getting attention and shaping a public image. --Catgut (talk) 08:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The Name

I think it would be better if we change the name in the infobox to "Gisele Bündchen" and write the full name "Gisele Caroline Nonnenmacher Bündchen" in the birthname. What's your opinion?Xaserman 22:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Is that really her birth name. I heard her say on a US talk show that she changed her first name. IIRC, she said that she removed a letter. I presume that this would have been from the German 'Giesele' to the more common 'Gisele'. If this can be confirmed, it should be added to the page. Tyrerj 07:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Neither "Giesele" nor "Gisele" is a common German name. And changing her last name would have been much more important. I mean, a model named "Cuff" ("Bündchen" is a German word meaning cuff or wristband) is just silly. And "Nunmaker" (Nonnenmacher) isn't much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.143.147 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Is everything wrong on discution, Gisele didn't change any thing of her name, she's "Gisele", never was "Giesele", because "Gisele" is a common name in Brazil, Gisele and her parents are Brazilians, they wouldn't put a so German first name on their daughter as "Giesele". However they have a distant German ancestry. Cantarevolare 15:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The Beauty/Plastic Surgery Section

There's been some dispute over the titling of this edit lately. One version of the section has been labeled as follows:

• "Inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries"

The other, likely fueled by fans of her looks, has been labeled this way:

• "Gisele Bündchen's beauty/Her beauty as inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries"

Regardless of this woman's profession/success, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and according to policy, the encyclopedia is not supposed to take a stance on the matter. There's also the matter of avoiding peacock terms to consider. There are plenty of other articles on women, such as Aishwarya Rai and Jennifer Love Hewitt, in which beauty is addressed without Wikipedia itself directly claiming that the women are beautiful. I've seen no reason for why it should be different here. --James26 (talk) 08:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that's better: "Her image as inspiration for aesthetic plastic surgeries", avoiding the word "beauty" and the false idea that's a section about aesthetic plastic surgeries made on her body. --Cantarevolare (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the modified title. --James26 (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Over Hyped Bust Size

Sorry Gisele fans but this is a really biased article. Gisele is a small busted model with very slim hips and virtually no waist to hip ratio. The photo that ran in Vogue announcing the return of the sexy model was heavily photoshoped to enlarge her breasts which are claerly only a 34B and were hyped beyond belief. Check this link out for an unbiased comparison.

<a href="http://superamanda.blogspot.com/2007/01/supermodel-gisele-bundchens-bogus.html">Comparision</a>

A spade is a spade-an ample bosom is Kelly Brook or Lucy Pinder NOT Gisele. I know you want to build the myth but articles on wikipedia have to be reality based. Neither Kelly Brook nor Lucy Pinder are fashion models. All terms are relative. The July 1999 Vouge Cover of Gisele, and accompanying editorial are widely viewed in the fashion industry as the offical end of the "waif" or "heroin chic" era of runway models. Compared to Roseann Barr, Gisele is quite thin. But she is a Supermodel, and when compared to the Supermodels that came immediately before her (Kate Moss, Shalom Harlow, ect) she is quite large.Bogan444 02:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC) NOT TRUE Kelly Brook and Luci are both models and more importantly truly curvy the article in Vougue is a doctored photo! Bridget Hall and Latecia Casta who preceded Gisele are far more busty and curvy, it's just Anna Wintour who wants to navigate the hype with fake phots- so who widely considers this? Gisele is a B-cup at the most and is virtually CURVELESS with no waist to hip ratio or ample bosom--eyes don't lie! Catherine Huebscher 08:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC) Brook and Pinder are pin up models, not runway models. Big difference. As I said, all terms are relative. Bundchen is thin compared to the average person, but she is curvy for her field.Bogan444 21:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC) I agree with you, Gisele might not be a pamela anderson, but she is definitely curvier than most fashion models. You have to keep one thing in mind, before Gisele, most fashion models (and by fashion I mean high couture, non-commercial fashion) were extremely thin, with absolutely no bust worth mentioning and complete lack of curves. This changed when gisele began to be noticed. Its not just on stills, it's evident in most fashion shows, even before her work with vistoria's secret. There's plenty of youtube videos that prove this. Whether they are surgically enhanced or not hasn't been proved yet. Although honestly i don't see them as large enough to be implants, they look pretty natural to me, and this is pretty obvious in most stills. Another thing you have to remember is that with correct lighting nearly everything can be fixed, or enhanced. This is true for gisele also, there are some pics where they just seem to pop out right at you, whereas in others they seem pretty normal and natural. The biggest proof you'll need is in the runway shows, where no photoshop is added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sapz1984 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) 03:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC). Here is your untouched photo! NO HIPS! NO WAIST! AND VIRTUALLY NO BUST! GISELE IS A SMALL BUSTED WOMAN END OF STORY! http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5177/1474/1600/427853/gislelsma.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankchu3 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thick Waist/Torso

No way in hell does she have an hourglass figure of 24 inch waist and 35 inch hips, she's a surfboard with small breasts. This article is a joke and just feeds the screwed up view that media feeds to women.Her hips and waist are virtually the same; 29-34 is being generous. this is a long thick torso ed model as seen in person unretouched-the eyes don't lie: http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/258935~Gisele-Bundchen-Posters.jpg http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/gisele-bundchen-victorias-secret-underwear.jpg http://www.hollyscoop.com/BlogImages/21868812---giselle_bundchen.jpg

The waist-hips ratio is often mistaked for the hourglass figure. While in most cases this proves to be true, the measurements are 24 inch waist, measured at the height of the belly button, and 34 inch hips measured at the height of mid-buttock where the hips meet the legs. She has breasts and buttocks, so obviously they will not be the same measurements of her waist. if you picture her sideways you'll understand what i'm saying. And if that still doesn't convince you, try this. Measure yourself, if you see no hourglass figure when you look in the mirror, you wil still see a difference in measurements, unless you're extremely flat from behind that is...--Sapz1984 (talk) 16:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you a guy or a girl because you know little about the female anatomy. I have natural measurements of 38F-24-36 and I'm 5'10, no way in hell does Gisele have a 24 inch waist (unless her hips are 28inches) and her hips and breasts are very, very small. 33b-28-33 is more like it and that's being generous. Designers may want her to be hyped as having hips and a waist to showcase their awful clothing and lie to woman but airbrushing , photoshop and always standing with your back torqued does not make a hip to waist ratio like Marilyn Monroe's. EYES DON'T LIE-this is a hiplesss small breasted woman with virtually no hip to waist ratio. http://superamanda.blogspot.com/2007/01/supermodel-gisele-bundchens-bogus.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catherine Huebscher (talk • contribs) --Catgut (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, anyway we need a source for whatever is said about her measurements in the article. Personal estimations are not reliable and certainly do not meet our criteria for proper sources. The version reverted by you was sourced, but probably this source isn't reliable either. --Catgut (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Women have been lied to too long by the media and idiots like this model and her PR. She's famous, she's rich why does she fabricate the physical symmetry of a much curvier woman? Gisele has a TALL BOYISH body with hips and waist measuring virtually the same. Lies like this googled by young girls contribute to poor body image and eating disorders. The truth is in the eyes of anyone who looks, it's like saying that Naomi Campbell is "white." http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/gisele.jpg http://images.absolutenow.com/rp/BundchenGisele255055530.jpg http://blog.9.com.ua/pics/2007/11/photographer/David_LaChapelle/Gisele_Bundchen/David_LaChapelle_Gisele_Bundchen_06.JPG

Jesus Christ...Somebody better tell everyone wikipedia rules...Regardless of your mindless babbling, you might be a girl with the measurements but you obviously didn't understand what I meant. You may say Gisele has a thick waist, and it may be true. She is not the figure you commonly see in a curvy person. Yet you are mistaking two very different things. If you post links to pictures in which she is only seen in the front, you could say she doesn't meet the measurements posted. Have you ever seen her sideways? I guess not. She is considered curvy because it isn't a straight line between the back of her knees and the beginning of her back. And if you plan to question me on anatomy, pick up a book, find out where your hips are, and think about your post. Check out the pics i left with different angles, and you'll see what I mean. And in reference to your Marilyn Monroe comment, NOBODY is comparing Gisele to anyone. Nobody. So jump off that cloud that you live in, and quit defending someone that didn't need defending. Remember this, in the fashion industry, people are chosen because they represent a majority. Does it make sense sometimes? No. But it proves to be true, especially when it comes to selling a product. Whether YOU like her or not is not the issue, keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, my guess is Gisele has plenty of millions beholding her beauty above all. The girl, with the thick waist sells, and she sells more than ANY girl in history. Now that people, is a fact. Sapz1984 (talk) 18:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC) http://www.flickr.com/photos/8089696@N02/690729479/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/blondbob/2368127371/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/blondbob/2368961546/

Stop erasing my comments you hater. The first picture proves she is built like a boy! SHE HAS VIRTUALLY NO WAIST TO HIP RATIO! and standing with your hip torqued out is because she has no symmetry. she is NOT 35-26-36 on the moon. http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/startracks/050110/gbundchen.jpg http://lumine.net/pcs/dl.php/780/gisele-bundchen-nude_verysexy_14.jpg In the above pic, her torso actually juts above her hip lines! http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/gisele.jpg and in the above photo she has no waist at all. you are a complete liar and so is she. Do not insult millions of women who DO have an hourglass/hip to waist ration by lying. NO HIP TO WAIST RATIO! NO 24-34! NO WAY! END OF STORY! EYES DO NOT LIE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankchu3 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, there is a virtually a straight line through this woman's body: http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w45/img.63310_t.jpg

pronunciation?

Is it GEE-zeh-luh (with a hard G) to match the German surname, or zhee-zelle like the French, or some Portuguese-flavored variant? --Trovatore (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

People who know her, or work with her, use the French pronunciation you're referring to. As far as I know, Brazilians also do, probably with a slight Portuguese accent (regarding the l). --Catgut (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

In Brazil we say "gee-SÉ-lee". She also speaks her own name this way, since she is Brazilian. Opinoso (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The pronunciation of Bündchen -> Been-chen. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton (talk) 02:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

• This is all very confusing since I don't know, in which language your are writing "gee". Like g in Gin or g in Gibson? And been-chen like English (has) "been" and chen like "Che Guevara" or more like "ch" in Chaos? The best thing is, you would use standard pronuncation code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.93.229 (talk) 14:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace

In Biography section the article says she born in três de Maio but short below herself quoted saying she born in Horizontina. I'm deleting the Três de Maio reference to avoid information conflict until someone provide a reliable source.

They are small towns and near to each other. She was just born in Três de Maio, because there was no hospital in Horizontina at that time. Her family lived in Horizontina. Opinoso (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No reliable source provided, article reverted. See WP:SOURCE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.151.81 (talk) 18:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Opinoso reverted the article without a proper source. Reverted again. See WP:SOURCE --Ciao 90 (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Article structure

Just some issues with how the sections are divided... do things like a tribute song, nude photography, the stock index, and a Bundchen forest really warrant the same type of sectioning as her endorsements and family life? It doesn't make much sense to me to give all of these the same headings when they're clearly not comparable in importance. If someone wants to do it, much of these could be - and should be - consolidated into other areas of the article or moved to some sort of "Other" section with each topic getting a sub-heading.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 04:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ancestry

Always when i see articles of blondes (just and example) brazilian models, artists, the very first thing that comes after their names is that he/she is from German/Italian descent. Well of course this is true, but where are informations like these on white/blondes american models, artists, singers? The article simply just say that they are american, it pass a false idea that the typical american is the white, the blond-haired person. Althoug both Brazil and United States are countries that belong to the american continent, the original person in all the american countries are the indigenous. It's right that pale brazilian models like Carol Trentini, Aline Weber, Ana Claudia Michels and Gisele are from european descent, but why not the americans? This information must be also posted in american celebrities articles.--201.78.117.200 (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)Martinense

Actually, I put myself the information about Gisele Bündchen's German ancestry in this article because, visiting some websites on the Internet, some "not very intelligent people" were claiming "Gisele is German and could not be Brazilian, because she is blond". Not only 1 or 2 people said that on the Internet, but many other foreigners who know nothing about Brazil and our multi-ethnic society. Even though her German ancestry is a minor fact about her life and has nothing to do with her career, I found important to talk about Gisele's very distant German ancestry (6 generations back!) to shut up those foreigers who keep saying a person with blond hair cannot be Brazilian (!!).

But, other users (probably Skanter and his many IPs and sockppupets) post on the top of the articles, in every single article about a Brazilian person with a German or Italian surname and, mostly to those with blond hair, their European ancestry. The information about ancestry can be really interesting and used as a "curious" fact. But, these users put this information as if it was a big deal. The point is that these users (actually, I think he is a single user: Skanter and his sockppupets) are likely to put the European ancestry only to those of German/Italian ancestry with blond hair!! They (or he) does not post the ancestry of non-blond Brazilians, that's the point. It's like he is trying to show the world "the blondes of Brazil are of direct German/Italian descent".

The point is that the ancestry of a person can be a curious information, and I sometimes put myself this info when I find it relevant. But, what "these" users are doing is to link all blond Brazilian people articles directly to an European country, in almost all cases Germany or Italy. In this article, I put Gisele's German ancestry in a context of her family background, and not on the top of the article. The top says she is only "Brazilian", does not link her to Germany.

But, in the article Mariana Weickert, for example, somebody posted: "Mariana Weickert (born in Blumenau, Santa Catarina, 17 February 1982) is a Brazilian supermodel of German descent, affiliated to Ford Models".

They post the info as if Mariana's German ancestry had any relevance to her career and biography. Actually, this model has a tattoo on the back writen "Made in Brazil"[4]. The information about her "Made in Brazil" tattoo is another reason not to link this model to Germany, but only to what she is: just an ordinary Brazilian model. Opinoso (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I think it's a little disingenious for you to say that Gisele's ancestry has no relevance to her. It obviously does -- she has a distinctly Germanic look about her and her genes have created a stunning woman who trades off her looks. Her German heritage therefore plays a huge part in her career. She is Brazilian, a native of Brazil, and proud of it. But it doesn't mean that her heritage has no bearing on a career which revolves around her looks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.153.236.170 (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

This post is for all the people who say that her German heritage would have near zero relevance in her life:

From the article German Brazilian: Brazilian female models of German origin have achieved fame for their beauty and class in the fashion world and in beauty contests. Many are world-class top models or supermodels and seem to be proportionally better represented in these areas than Brazilian models of other ethnic origins.

So obviously it is VERY important, especially in her life as a model! I can understand why many Brazilian have a problem with this and would rather not mention their ethnicity at all: they are afraid that people from other parts of the world will look at Gisele Bündchen or other German Brazilian (and Italian Brazilian as someone mentioned them as well) as primarily German/Italian rather than primarily Brazilian, and with that they would take important objects of Brazilian pride from them. But ethnicity is always an important part in countries with populations that mostly descent from immigrants, and since ethnicity also determines your genetic heritage and with that your physical appearance, it is even more important for people who make money based on how they look like.

Edited height to 5'10"

I have changed the height to 5'10" as per IMDB record, earlier it was stated as 5'92" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poseidon123 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm having kind of an issue here on Gisele's measurements. What the article currently has is unsourced and is contradicted by FMD, IMDb, and IMG Models, all of which provide different measurements, heights, and even different hair colors. My default choice would be to go with the IMG site, since it's her mother agency, but I can imagine someone is going to come along and see that her waist is listed at a relatively wide 26.5" and get offended (as some model fans are strangely prone to do in such instances) and revert the edit regardless of the source. So if someone can find her measurements on her official site (because I can't), those would be preferable and likely the most reliable to use here.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 18:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Official measurements/true waist to hip ratio

Gisele has a VERY BOYISH body with hips and waist measuring virtually the same. Someone keeps switching her back to false stats attempting to give her hourglass measurements when it's clear she is virtually straight up and down from her photos and from her OFFICIAL stats of 35-26.5-36. Even those official measurements are most likely faked to some degree but the measurements of her current agency need to stand despite how much fans want her to be seen falsely as having the curves she's been hyped to have by media fraud. No pics of her hips torquing out when she stands too. Sorry fans. http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/gisele.jpg http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/startracks/050110/gbundchen.jpg http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w45/img.63310_t.jpg

Images aren't numbers, source has been provided in this edit. Daimore ^msg 23:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Numbers are numbers and she is thick waisted and narrow hipped but that's why she is popular as it makes her androgynous. She is not an hourglass and her waist is not ten inches smaller than her hips on the moon-her own agency says so. Original official stats should stand, not fake doctored ones to attempt to give her the curves she does not have. My source-ALSO IMG:http://www.imgmodels.com/details.aspx?navbtn=1&cityID=1&modelid=19169&pic=691.jpg&subid=1767&mainsubid=1767&catID=1&indx=3 Sorry.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

IMG itself shows two different measurements, another source (or more) are needed. And stop commenting with such hatred, trying to prove a point of view doesn't help much. You also don't need to be sorry, I don't care, neither should you. Daimore ^msg 23:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The first set of measurements are so obviously closer to reality that the fact there is second set from IMG shows how false her PR is. I'm also not writing with hatred, it's called truth. YOU are the one who is ignoring the truth and the truth is a woman like Gisele via wikipedia influences millions of women and girls . Gisele does not have an hourglass figure, in fact she is a virtual opposite of what a hip to waist ratio is, women look at her, read her bogus measurements and it's a big negative influence. When Irving Penn, Anna Wintour airbrushes her with these large breasts and hips that she does not have it sends terrible message out. Gisele is a very thin, lanky and small breasted woman, not Kelly Brook or Peta Todd who actually do have tall hourglass figures. If you are her fan then you should at least see what is really there and not take the truth so personally. Catherine Huebscher (talk) 8:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I'm so much her fan that I'm trying to hide the truth... right. You were the one substituting some measurements for other ones, I was the one stating both, with sources. Now it shouldn't be hard to find reliable sources (since it's been proved that IMG isn't one) stating that she has no hips or whatever. Her official site seems not to have a word about it, unfortunately. Daimore ^msg 23:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I only substituted the ones that her agency gave out. It is not my fault if they can't seem to decide. This literally is like someone writing that Dolly Parton is a B cup. It is simply a matter of the media and fans creating what is clearly not there (a hip to waist ratio) and using "official" aka doctored and fake stats to continue the myth. Even a 26 inch waist is a complete, ghastly joke. The second photo truly shows what a complete fake she is.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/04/gisele-bundchen-tom-brady-pharmacy.jpg http://www.femininebeauty.info/images/gisele.bundchen.2.jpg

I believe she has also had breast augmentation done. When she was younger she was quite small chested http://www.makemeheal.com/news/giselle-bundchen-plastic-surgery/411 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.52.64 (talk) 23:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Che Guevara bikini

Giselle wore a bikini of Che Guevara at a fashion show once. Che's daughter spoke against her late father's image being used on a bikini. I think it's worth adding to Gisele's article as Che's image has been used in a million different ways, but this was the only time Aleida Guevara March spoke out against a Che product. 67.84.164.119 (talk) 06:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Santos89
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/world/americas/09che.html
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ches-everywhere-on-bikinis-too/226535/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7029522.stm

This could be added under controversies

To the extent this is a "controversy" it is one between Che's daughter and the designer. Gisele is a model. She puts on whatever the designers give her. She has nothing to do with this "controversy" anymore than she does with the artistic direction of a Vogue cover. I could list you many legit controversies that actually involve Gisele, but they belong in Gossip Rags, not an encyclopedia post. The Che section belongs in either Che's page or the page of the designer who made the bikini. The Lebron Ape story belongs on Lebron's page or Annie Lebovit's page or maybe even Anna Wintour's page, but certainly not Gisele's. The Euro rumor was a one day story that had no proper sourcing and was immediately denied by Gisele's business manager. It does not rise to the level of a "controversy". I also deleted the section of the fur story that cited PETA as a source. Sourcing PETA's website in a subsection about a protest orchestrated by PETA doesn't conform to rules about objectivity.Bogan444 (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow

She's the sixth generation of her family in Brazi? Why people still call her German? Vânia, Valdir, Raquel, Graziela, Gabriela, Rafaela and Patricia aren't of German origin, Spanish origin I guess, Has she Spanish descent or something like that?

She has German ancestry. Nobody is calling her "German". They are just pointing out her family ancestry, just as it was often pointed out that John F. Kennedy had Irish ancestry. Brazil is a Portuguese speaking country and pretty much all Brazilians (except the isolated Indian tribes) now name their children with Portuguese names no matter what their ethnic background. Same as in the United States where people name their kids English names no matter what their ancestry.Bogan444 (talk) 16:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't say she's German it says she's of German descent. Whoever added that was trying to make the point that not all Brazilians have a foot in Africa like a lot of none Latinos think. Plus most Yankees think all Latinos are brown skinned & the prospect of a blond / blue eyed Latina is unconceivable to them.

Please use this article's talk page to discuss improving the article instead of trying to disparage people.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 19:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Bündchen is a German name. That piece of the profile was added to clear things up.

Her sister's names are Portuguese, just like all the other names in Brazil. If your great great great great great parents were German and you were from the USA would you give them German names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewhicks93 (talk • contribs) 06:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

As is Gisele (Giselle). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.52.64 (talk) 23:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Not so very much, no. "Gisela" would be the German variant of that name. —92.224.153.65 (talk) 08:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Gisele is of puriest German ancestory an therefore a German Brazilian, a beautiful one at that! Gisele or Gisela, by the way, is Franco-Germanic and means "of noble heritage". Vania is the short form of Vanadis, a name of the Germanic Goddess Freyja/Freia, Valdir/Waldir is also of pure Germanic origin. 77.23.108.124 (talk) 02:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not saying she is German

1. I'm not American, I'm from Belgium 2. I know there're whites in Latin America, my mother is a White-Cuban 3. I read that part of her bio that said she's the sixth generation of Germans in Brazil, that's why I asked why people call her German, if her family have been living in Brazil for many years... 4. I just asked if she has Spanish descent due to her relatives' names. 5. I'm not trying to disparage people, don't be ridiculous, that was just a question. 6. I understand Brazilians, I fight against stereotypes too, but it doesn't mean we can be impolite with others...

No, she doesn't seem to have any Spanish ancestors. First of all, Portuguese were the dominant immigrant group in Brazil, not Spanish, but she isn't Portuguese either. The state where Gisele hails from is made up primarily of Germans and Italians. The specific section of where she was raise overwhelmingly German. Both Gisele's father and mother have German surnames (Nonnenmacher and Bündchen).Bogan444 (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

1.) I wasn't saying you are American, I was thinking you were Brazilian actually. I'm just guessing that since this in Wiki English a lot of Americans would be reading it & not understand that despite her last name she is not German. 2.) Most people think that White Latinos can't be blond / blue eyed. They assume correctly that White Latinos must have dark hair / eyes. I said that thing about Brazilians being assumed to be all part Black cause as a White Brazilian, the question has come up. I wasn't saying you specifically thought so. 3.)It says she's a German descent Brazilian to clear up the last name issue. 4.)I'm not sure about that Spanish question, there are some Spanish descented peoples in Brazil, so could be, who knows. 5.)I was never trying to be impolite just firm & none of it was directed specifically at you, there is a whole other post of people arguing this topic.

Brazil is unlike other Latin American countries, which has more people of German and Italian, Latin Americans are not the majority, but you out there are misinformed about the ethnic composition of Brazil, you think that Brazil has only Latinos and African, but these groups represent only 15% of the population, but the population here is 97 000 000 white people, Latinos 30 000 000 Brown, 10 000 000 blacks and only 3 000 000 Indians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.13.131.2 (talk) 22:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Removals

Bogan444 made some removals, but put the explanation in a place easy to overlook (in the Che Guevera section). Since the edit was reverted w/o comment when it in turn was provided with one, and since I'm reverting that edit because no explanation was given, I just thought I'd start this section for discussion and repeat Bogan's reasoning:

To the extent this is a "controversy" it is one between Che's daughter and the designer. Gisele is a model. She puts on whatever the designers give her. She has nothing to do with this "controversy" anymore than she does with the artistic direction of a Vogue cover. I could list you many legit controversies that actually involve Gisele, but they belong in Gossip Rags, not an encyclopedia post. The Che section belongs in either Che's page or the page of the designer who made the bikini. The Lebron Ape story belongs on Lebron's page or Annie Lebovit's page or maybe even Anna Wintour's page, but certainly not Gisele's. The Euro rumor was a one day story that had no proper sourcing and was immediately denied by Gisele's business manager. It does not rise to the level of a "controversy". I also deleted the section of the fur story that cited PETA as a source. Sourcing PETA's website in a subsection about a protest orchestrated by PETA doesn't conform to rules about objectivity. Bogan444 (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. I'd also throw in that there are WP:UNDUE issues here as well. A lot of space is devoted to these topics when they're mostly just minor tangents to Bundchen as a model. The Lebron Vogue cover is the only one I'd consider worth mentioning. I also feel most of the "Personal life" info is too trivial for individual subsections. I mean, not every possible topic related to her needs its own subsection.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 03:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

NYMag mention

Similar to the non-notable and WP:UNDUE reasoning above, I've removed the following, which had its own subsection under the "Personal Life" section.

One reason to love New York

In the December 2005 issue, New York magazine chose and publicized a list of 123 reasons to love New York City with reason number 43 being that Gisele Bündchen lives there.nymag.com

It may make sense to integrate it somewhere else, but it's rather trivial.—DMCer™ 09:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Married name

She is married to this Brady person, why is it not in the info box and the lede? Has she kept her original name or what? I have reverted it but looking at it it could well be correct, comments? Off2riorob (talk) 15:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no evidence that she has changed her name. All the promotional material for São Paulo Fashion week referred to her as "Bündchen". Vouge's recent profile referred to her as "Bündchen" throughout as well. Gisele's influence is such that she'd be able to correct that if it wasn't what she wanted to be called, and her twin sister is her manager so it's not like this is something that would just slip through the cracks. So my guess is she hasn't done anything to change her name. Gisele isn't an American Citizen, so changing her name, even if she wanted to, might entail hassles with her Green Card that she'd rather not endure. But this is all speculation. The plain facts are that we have zero evidence she has changed her name, and several strong clues that she has not. So leaving it as is would be the correct call for now.Bogan444 (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Unlike Americans, when Brazilian women marry they usually keep their original surnames (Brazilians usually have 2 surnames) or remove the mother's surname, keeping the father's surname and add their husband's one. It was the rule to add the husband's surname after the original surnames, in the past, but nowadays there are women who do not add their husband's surname anymore. Following Brazilian tendence, Gisele is now probably Gisele Bundchen Bradley, or just Gisele Bundchen if the is more modern. Opinoso (talk) 03:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Number of magazine covers with Gisele Bündchen by year

1995 = 003

1996 = 003

1997 = 009

1998 = 016

1999 = 044

2000 = 155

2001 = 093

2002 = 067

2003 = 050

2004 = 068

2005 = 076

2006 = 066

2007 = 090

2008 = 093

2009 = 121

2010 = 083

2011 = 054

Victoria's Secret cover : 101

Unknown date : 29

Total = 1221, until now

Corrected by Stephane LAM on August 4th 2011 (France) Great thanx to lovevsmodels' girls !!!

Cantarevolare (talk)

This is very incorrect! She has had over 1000 covers according to her megazine collectors. Her website sadly does not add all covers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.218.82.1 (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Over-linking (in this case "German")

As per WP:MOSLINK, I don't believe that "German" should be linked. I tried to support the removal (that another editor first performed), however my edit was reverted. GFHandel ♬  22:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

the article says that the parents are both of "German descent". Setting a link towards Germans, as an ethnic group, does not qualify for "over-linking"... it merely gives background information about their ethnic descent--IIIraute (talk) 23:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:MOSLINK#Overlinking: "Avoid linking the names of major geographic features and locations, languages, religions, and common professions". The spirit of that advice clearly encompasses a link to "German" in this case. The simple test for these cases is to ask yourself if someone coming to the Gisele Bündchen article is likely to want to find out more about German ethnicity. The answer is clearly no. Anyhow, I've said my peace here (and agreed with another editor about the removal of the link). Let's wait to appreciate the input from other editors. GFHandel ♬  23:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No, the policy does not, as the term Germans refers to an ethnic group and not to the country Germany, a location, language, religion or profession!--IIIraute (talk) 23:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The policy cannot list every case, and I was hoping that you would understand what is meant by "the spirit" of the policy. There's about as much interest in "German" (as in her descent) as there is in her profession as a "model" or her country of birth as "Brazil" (for which there aren't links in the lede). Providing links to things like "German" is the old-fashioned approach to linking at WP—something that is thankfully falling out of favour. GFHandel ♬  00:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

What's the big deal setting a link towards an ethnic group. The article says that the parents are of German descent.... so they are Germans, as per ethnic group ...so the link gives reference to her descent... what is the problem?--IIIraute (talk) 00:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

If you have a problem with the linking policy (that has been arrived at via a consensus-driven process), please take your questions to the appropriate forum. I have. GFHandel ♬  00:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Germans is probably common enough to not need linking in most cases. In this case, it strikes me that Germans is not at all germane to the subject. It adds little to the understanding of the subject, and ought not to be linked from this biography. The subject is Brazilian and her parents are "of German extraction" (i.e. that implies two degree removed, or more). The most obvious way out of this dispute is to reformulate the bio and link to German Brazilian instead. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

That's fine by me.--IIIraute (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll be honest and say that I'm not overly happy by that. The link is now actually misleading since there is no indication in the link display text of anything to do with Brazil. Have you noticed that the correct use of the link German Brazilian appears later in the same paragraph? I would still like to wait a few days to give other editors here an opportunity for input (before this is considered closed). GFHandel ♬  02:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Handel, you seem to have a lot of time on hand - change it if you want to: I'm fine with it.--IIIraute (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The part of MOSLINK quoted above actually has a qualifier that has been missed out from the quote - it says to avoid such links, "Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article". I'm not saying it is necessarily, but a link to nationality/ethnicity is certainly arguably relevant to this page. Also I'm not sure we can make such definitive assertions about what people who come to this page might or might not be interested in. I'm sure some people would like to read more into that background. N-HH talk/edits 07:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I' not sure how to read the above comment. I trust that you're not arguing to retain a link to 'Germans' because it's certainly not"particularly relevant to the topic of the article". She is a 6th generation German Brazilian, after all, she doesn't even speak German, and any relevance to Germans or Germany is thus six times removed from the subject. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 11:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

It seems to matter if after 5 generations they keep marrying within their own ethnic group. It also is relevant to the topic of the article, because the topic is G. Bündchen, and she is an ethnic German, grew up in an ethnic German environment, and she has an Ü in her surname - so some people might be interested in where it comes from - not really a big deal. There are people of jewish ethnicity, although they do not speak Hebrew. Anyway - I think the whole issue got solved, so that's fine.--IIIraute (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the way you wanted to do it is consistency. Gisele's German roots are seven generations past. Tom Brady's Irish roots, by contrast, are only four generations old. Gisele is more "Brazilian" than Tom is "American", so why should she get a "German" link and he not get an "Ireland" link? Or to make the comparison even more direct, take US Presidential candidate Ron Paul. His grandparents on his father's side and his great grand parents on his mother's side all came from Germany. That makes him more "German" by a factor of two than Gisele. Where is his "Germany" link? If we were to follow the standard with consistency it would get ridiculous quite fast. The vast bulk of people from the Americas trace their ancestry to not so distant European ancestors. As for the umlaut in her name, it is there because "umlauts" exist in Brazilian Portuguese (technically what Brazilian Portuguese has are called diaeresis' but it is the same two dot symbol over a letter) so there was never any reason for the Bündchen family to drop it. If Fredrich Müller had immigrated to São Paulo instead of Milwaukee, it would be called the Müller Brewing Company rather than the Miller Brewing Company. Dropping or not dropping umlauts is a function of language, not inherit German-ness. Bogan444 (talk) 08:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem

"Bündchen is a sixth-generation German Brazilian,[14] born in Três de Maio, Rio Grande do Sul, to Vânia Nonnenmacher, a bank clerk pensioner, and Valdir Bündchen, a university teacher and writer, who are both of German descent.[15] Bündchen was born and raised in Horizontina, (...)"

Is it just me, or this is a contradiction? Ariel C.M.K. (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

DOB of children

I removed the exact DOB, left birth year, of one of the subject's children. Another editor disagrees with this. I can't point to a single place of consensus for not including the exact DOB of minors, non notable of course, but that seems to be how this has shaken out in the past from my experience editing bios. I believe the other editor to be in good faith and would ask others to comment or point to policy if one exists. Thank you, --Malerooster (talk) 18:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

If there is some sort of policy or guideline in this area, then certainly I don't object, but on its face the date a woman gives birth would seem to be notable information as it is a significant event for the woman(not because it is the birthdate of their children, which would not be a good reason to have it included). 331dot (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Giving birth is very notable. Whether it happens on May 5, or July 12, not so much. I would stick to birth year, but I have also seen, month and year. The place this gets dicey, is when somebody gives birth 8 months after getting married and people want to make a "point" of pre marital sex, hiprocrisy, ect, <coughing>sara palin</coughing> which we have seen in the past. Again, the defacto consensus from my experience on bios, is to leave the EXACT dob out. There are also privacy issues for non notable minors, ect. Iam sure others can and have explained this a lot better. We could also use the BLP board to get further input about this issue. --Malerooster (talk) 18:14, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I didn't intend to make a big issue of this(not that you are, just that I don't want to either)- since you seem to have good reasons I'm content to leave it be. It just seemed odd to me. I take your word that you see this elsewhere. Thanks for your comments331dot (talk) 18:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries, thank you. --Malerooster (talk) 15:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Reception section

There's a very long blockquote at the top of this section attributed to Newsweek and The Daily Beast. I can only find the Newsweek version of it, not the same as the content quoted, and as anyway it's overlong and not cogent, I've trimmed it right back and rereferenced it to Newsweek. Thanks. Spicemix (talk) 13:08, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

New announcement (retiring but not retiring)

She announces she will be leaving the Victoria's Secret fashion-walk; but not leaving fashion, saying something like, 'Fashion has been good to me and I plan to take any opportunity that comes along' and that she can't imagine not working (and having fun). http://www.aol.com/article/2015/04/15/gisele-shares-first-runway-pic-at-14-years-old-confirms-her-ret/21172756/?cps=gravity_1593_-8952474251491318354 -- FYI. AstroU (talk) 10:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Another good article (UK) with better descriptions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3041048/Gisele-Bundchen-34-sashays-catwalk-one-time-20-years-career-began.html -- AstroU (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

This would go well on the "2012–present: Upcoming projects" section, which hasn't been updated since 2014. -- AstroU (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC) -- PS: Alternately, a new section could now or later be started: "2015–present: Upcoming projects"

She says she stopped after her body asked her to stop. She must want to move on to other opportunities, which is also what she says. [5] -- AstroU (talk) 20:51, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Headline-2: Gisele Bundchen retires from the runway with gratitude

• http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-et-mg-gisele-bundchen-retires-from-runway-20150415-story.html

QUOTE: "Gisele Bundchen gave thanks Wednesday for 20 years of fashion shows, posting a modeling shot of her at age 14 as she acknowledged that her runway work at Sao Paulo Fashion Week in Brazil would be her last.

"I am grateful that at 14, I was given the opportunity to start this journey," the Brazilian beauty wrote on Instagram. "Today after 20 years in the industry, it is a privilege to be doing my last fashion show by choice and yet still be working in other facets of the business."

She then said all that again, in Portuguese.

"Automatically my body tells me if what I do is worth it, and it asked to stop," the 34-year-old mother of two told a Sao Paulo newspaper on Saturday." -- AstroU (talk) 20:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC) -- Gisele Bundchen retires from the runway with gratitude -- PS: FYI for additional future editing.

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Why is her name given in German? From the article, it seems this is original research as she didn't grow up speaking German, so it must be someone's reconstruction or guess. On the other hand, it would be relevant to tell us how to pronounce her name the way she does, whether we call it Portuguese or English. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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This Article Has A Twin

Upon some minor editing of this article, I discovered a source didn't quite bear out a statement made in this article. It wasn't a big deal; it was easily fixed. However, upon my research of the comment, I came across something I found peculiar. There is a self-published book called "Gisele Bündchen, A Biography" by someone named Alexis Ryan that is a perfect replica of Wikipedia's article. They both even contain the same writing mistakes and sourcing problems. For example, this article states that "She supports many charities including...Doctors without Borders..." Obviously, the word "without" in that sentence is improperly lowercased. The exact mistake has been made in this book. Clearly, one came from the other. I just don't know which came first. The full information regarding this book is:

   Paperback: 34 pages
   Publisher: CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (March 29, 2017)
   Language: English
   ISBN-10: 1545011680
   ISBN-13: 978-1545011683

Thirty-four pages is awfully short for a biography. Forgive me if I'm just wasting space here with this concern, but I stumble upon this kind of thing often in checking sources in Wikipedia articles – where the entire article can be found word-for-word in another location. My questions run from "Is this acceptable to Wikipedia or a common practice" to "are there any concerns by Wikipedia regarding plagiarism, whether it is the 'perpetrator' or the victim?" I appreciate any commentary on this issue. Please note: I'm not referencing situations where sourced material is word-for-word from its source, as it should be. I'm talking about the entire articles being identical. Also, if this is an inappropriate location for this section, please forgive my ignorance and direct me to where this should be placed. MarydaleEd (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Happy to say, this is a completely appropriate concern, and thank you for bringing it up. CreateSpace is a self-publishing platform, and it's not uncommon for (I believe unethical) parties to use bots to lift free Wikipedia articles in their entirety and create books for sale to unsuspecting people who don't realize they could get the same information (and properly updated) without cost. Given the date of the CreateSpace book and the dates this article was created and was updated, that seems to be the case here. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Unverifiable Sources

This article of Gisele Bündchen might be the death of me. I'm not sure what to do with these unverifiable sources. So many statements and quotes are attributed to a single source, indexed as [20], "Sullivan, Robert. "Profile". Vogue.com. Retrieved 7 January 2013." I cannot find, even in Vogue archives, any "Profile" by Robert Sullivan or anything within Vogue that includes any of the statements or quotes attributed to that article. If one attributes information to a source that is impossible to locate and verify, the information might as well not be sourced at all. What is done in these situations?

Another issue I'm having with this article and am seeking assistance for is a statement the author made under the "1997–2000: Career beginnings" heading. The statement is "The Vogue online encyclopedia of models states, 'As the year 2000 approached, Gisele Bündchen was the world's hottest model, opening up a new category in the popular imagination: the Brazilian bombshell.'"[20] There's that [20] reference again. But in this situation, the problem I'm having is the reference to "The Vogue online encyclopedia of models." I've never heard of such an encyclopedia and the Internet doesn't appear to have, either. I've looked everywhere. Does anyone know of "The Vogue online encyclopedia of models" who can help? This isn't a badly written article. It just appears to be a badly sourced article, and that is worse. Is it possible to locate the author of this article and try to locate this unverifiable source that way? Otherwise, I would be inclined to remove all statements and quotes attributed to that source. MarydaleEd (talk) 01:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)