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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Inspiring to see you nominating so many articles; I will review this one soon! --K. Peake 09:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

I don't think Atlantic needs to be bracketed under labels in the infobox, as it is only a distributor
- Done Not sure why that was even there in the first place. I don't think I added that, but maybe I did and just forgot. benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OVERLINK of Megan Thee Stallion under songwriters
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"American rapper Megan Thee Stallion." → "American rapper Megan Thee Stallion from her debut studio album, Good News (2020)."
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The lead single part should be the third sentence of the lead, while making writing/production the second; make the former start as "It was released..."
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"2020 through 1501 Certified Entertainment and 300 Entertainment as the lead single" → "2020, through 1501 Certified Entertainment and 300 Entertainment as the album's lead single." with the wikilink
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"was written by Megan, Bobby Sessions, Ilyah Fraser, and Scott Storch with" → "The song was written by Megan Thee Stallion, Bobby Sessions, Ilyah Fraser, and Scott Storch, with" plus all of the credited songwriters should be mentioned here unless you can find a source that states they were credited due to the sampled work and the writers need to be written out in the body's prose
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe sample to Sampling (music)
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The song was praised by critics for repurposing" → "The song received positive reviews from music critics, some of whom praised it for repurposing" but move this to being the first sentence of the second para instead
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"debuted and peaked at number 28 on the" → "peaked at number 28 on the US" plus mention the number 3 peak on the German chart afterwards
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move the certification into being a separate sentence that succeeds the above; also, the commercial info needs to be written out in the body
- Where should I include the commercial info? benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"was certified platinum by" → "was certified platinum in the United States by"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mention the lyric video before the live performances info
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"virtual concert on Tidal." → "virtual concert for Tidal that same year."
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release

Pipe samples to Sampling (music) on the img text, plus the song is not sourced as being gangsta rap anywhere; you could use The Guardian ref for this
- Done and moved gangsta rap. benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done also, the source is for the sampled song being gangsta rap. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done, sorry about that! benǝʇᴉɯ 04:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"was announced on June 24, 2020 on Megan's" → "was announced on June 24, 2020 as June 26 via Megan Thee Stallion's" per the source
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Megan teased the song with a video clip posted to Instagram" → "Megan Thee Stallion teased the song by posting a video clip to Instagram"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the "set to a..." part since this is basically implied
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"regarding Megan sampling" → "regarding Megan Thee Stallion sampling" with the pipe
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"as, according to her, she and Eazy's other children were barred from recreating or sampling" → "since, according to her, she and his other children were barred from allowing recreation or sampling of"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The writers/producers should be added at this point
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mention that its release was as the album's lead single with a source
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"features Megan in a pink" → "features Megan Thee Stallion in a pink"
- How come? benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite This is her stage name, so should be used to refer to her on any occasion... also, the areas where I just left Megan as a suggestion were mistakes and I've altered those on the review page. --K. Peake 06:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"with a pink fuzzy hood and hoop earrings which read" → "with a fuzzy hood and hoop earrings, which read" per the source
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The earrings being on the inside is not backed up
- Removed. benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Add more info about the cover art per 1
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"by black female artists." → "by black female artists; Megan Thee Stallion boasted that she "can't wait for y'all to see it"." per the source
- Done, but that sentence seems awkward with the quote. The "can't" seems like it should be rewritten in the past tense, and, with the way it's written, it sounds like the "y'all" is addressed to readers of the article, which goes against MOS:SELFREF. Also, does "boasted" go against MOS:SAID? benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite There is no problem with this though, being that it is actually a direct quote. --K. Peake 06:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink lyric video per MOS:LINK2SECT
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"pictures and videos of Megan." → "pictures, videos, and animations of Megan the Stallion, including the rapper flexing her body." with the wikilink; per the source
- Done, but adding a link for "animation" seems like WP:OVERCITE. benǝʇᴉɯ 05:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see this done throughout articles and have even been told to do so myself, so it is reasonable. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

Merge with the above section as the second para, retitling to Background and composition
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe chorus to Refrain and sample to Sampling (music) on the audio text
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"which Megan raps" → "which Megan Thee Stallion raps" and wikilink "Boyz-n-the-Hood" on the text
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The hip hop genre is not mentioned by any of the sources
- Removed. benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove wikilink on "Boyz-n-the-Hood"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"including the song's opening line," → "including its opening lyrics," plus merge this para with the above one, as it is too short
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"were from the perspective of Megan's pimp alter ego," → "are from the perspective of Megan Thee Stallion's pimp alter ego" with the wikilink
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"her love of anime as" → "her love of anime, as"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

Retitle to Reception, adding the commercial reception here as the third para
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"received critical acclaim." → "was met with acclaim from music critics." with the pipe
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"on the misogynoir in "Boyz-n-the-Hood"," → "on the connection to the misogynoir of the original,"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"male ego frailty."" → "male ego frailty"." per MOS:QUOTE
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Kyann-Sian Williams of NME gave the song" → "Williams gave the song"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"of New York Post named" → "of the New York Post named"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"called the single" → "called the song"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Put some of the COS review into your own words per WP:QUOTEFARM
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"climb the charts."" → "climb the charts"."
- Where? benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances

"Megan gave her" → "Megan The Stallion gave her"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"in the desert," → "in a desert setting,"
- Done
"Megan riding an ATV and wearing feathers." → "Megan Thee Stallion accompanied by off-road vehicles and a black power first background." per the sources
- Changed the ATV part, but hesitant to add the black power fist part since the fist only shows up during the performance of "Savage".

You needn't do this, with me having the information now in mind. --K. Peake 07:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink music videos
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"regarding it as" → "also regarding it as"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"During Megan's first" → "During Megan Thee Stallion's first"
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the second time part, as the source does not specifically mention that
- The whole sentence or just the part about the fact that it was the second time?

Benmite Only the second time part. --K. Peake 07:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel

Retitle to Credits and personnel
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Release history

See MOS:TABLECAPTION
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Format → Format(s)
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Label → Label(s)
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why is Warner listed here and are you sure the source backs up a various release?
- Dunno. Will try to work on that. benǝʇᴉɯ 09:28, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You also need to center the refs here, I totally forgot that initially. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

Copyvio score looks very good at 25.4%!
Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
iHeart → iHeartMedia on ref 1, citing as publisher instead
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 3, 8 9 13
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 5 per MOS:LINK2SECT

Not done do this here instead of linking to the sub-section with #. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done benǝʇᴉɯ 04:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cite KIMN as publisher instead for ref 6
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cite Refinery29 as publisher instead for ref 7 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cite MTV News as publisher instead for ref 10
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cite NPR as publisher instead for ref 15
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 17
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OVERLINK of Pitchfork on ref 18 and fix MOS:QWQ issues
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cite TV Guide as publisher instead for ref 19
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink The Atlantic on ref 21
- Where? benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe Complex to Complex (magazine) on ref 23
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cite Tidal as publisher instead for ref 24 and pipe to Tidal (service)
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe Media Control to GfK Entertainment charts on ref 26
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OVERLINK of Rolling Stone on ref 32
- Done benǝʇᴉɯ 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but make sure you check things have been implemented properly as you go through! --K. Peake 07:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite The performances section should be titled live performances instead plus before I have a read-through, I'd like to ask have you tried to implement everything to the best of your ability yet? --K. Peake 20:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake: Hi, I retitled the section since the BET Awards performance was pretaped. I have done ~~basically~~ almost everything listed; I also added some stuff from other sources, so if you want to go over that as well and make sure it's up to par, that would be good. benǝʇᴉɯ 23:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite The commercial info should be in a separate section titled commercial performance inbetween reception and performances, plus retitle the latter to promotion, change all instance of Megan not in quotes to Megan Thee Stallion for complying with name guidelines and use The Guardian as a source for the sampled track being gangsta rap, not the song per the wording... I will take another look tomorrow, I'm tired right now after a long day at work. --K. Peake 21:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite I did some copy editing in areas where the issues were not ones that you forgot to respond to, while I left comments above where things have not been done. --K. Peake 07:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite ✓ Pass now, good to see you have done everything that had initially not been completed! --K. Peake 18:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Yay! Thank you so much! benǝʇᴉɯ 18:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I don't think the nominator searched a lot for this song. This seems like a quick job, the first page of links in google and done. I have posted several links above on the talk page that can be used for critical reception, two even cover some controversy the song caused, and such it's not even mentioned in the article. Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MarioSoulTruthFan I did notice the lack of broadness during the review and the sources posted by you on the talk page, hence me mentioning The Guardian. I hadn't looked at all of them, but the stuff could easily be used to expand reception and the EW ref should be utilized regarding Eazy-E's children commenting on the song. You may have quick failed another nom by this user, though do you believe this one is not down at that level necessarily? --K. Peake 17:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MarioSoulTruthFan, again, whether or not you think the article isn't broad enough in scope doesn't mean you have to jump to conclusions about how long it took me to find sources for this page or how much I cared to find information about it. There is a clear difference between saying, "The article isn't broad enough in scope," and "It seems like the nominator only used the first page of Google results to improve this article." I can guarantee you that that is far from being the case, as I spent ample time scrolling through Google results to find sources, but even if it was, there are better ways to phrase it that don't verge on personal comments and are actually constructive. You also said that there's no mention of the controversy involving Eazy-E's children in the article, but it's right there in the background section and has been since long before you made this comment. I also just wanted to mention that the reason I didn't include the reviews of Good News that you listed is because when I made my original edits back in October, the album hadn't even come out yet. It was my mistake not to include them before nominating the article, but suggesting that I didn't care enough to actually find sources about the song, especially when only two of the articles you linked were from that time and about the song on its own (and both of them contained information already present in the article, with the exception of Eazy's other daughter's involvement), is hurtful. benǝʇᴉɯ 04:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: It's not at that level but it could really use the expansion, I do believe those sources will be enough to give it more broadness, we are not talking of a song released by an underground artist in the reception and composition. Benmite if you did do that, why was able to find 12 sources regarding the topic that are not in the article? Ok, so once the album came out, why didn't you look for more reviews/comments/synopsis? Sure, a portion of the reception should come from independent reviews, but album reviews will also help. It's not hurtful if I'm drawing your attention towards something that will help you in future reviews. Nevertheless, use them (the links) to give the article more scope and address the comments made by K. Peake. I do not have anything else to add. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MarioSoulTruthFan:

"...if you did do that, why was able to find 12 sources regarding the topic that are not in the article?"

"I also just wanted to mention that the reason I didn't include the reviews of Good News that you listed is because when I made my original edits back in October, the album hadn't even come out yet...only two of the articles you linked were from that time and about the song on its own (and both of them contained information already present in the article, with the exception of Eazy's other daughter's involvement)..."

Also, side note, the Vibe article was already in the article, contrary to what you said about it not being there, which also happened when you gave suggestions for sources to use for "Mood".

Just always keep improving the articles if you happen to come across new sources. 11 sources then, my point still stands. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Ok, so once the album came out, why didn't you look for more reviews/comments/synopsis?"

"It was my mistake not to include them before nominating the article..."

Always look out for album reviews, they usually mention the singles. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It's not hurtful if I'm drawing your attention towards something that will help you in future reviews."

"There is a clear difference between saying, "The article isn't broad enough in scope," and "It seems like the nominator only used the first page of Google results to improve this article."...suggesting that I didn't care enough to actually find sources about the song...is hurtful.

Might I reiterate that there is a stark difference between being constructive ("You should include more sources to increase the article's broadness,") and accusatory ("You only used the first page on Google, you didn't search very hard to find sources.") When I say that something is hurtful because it insinuates something that simply isn't true and undermines the work I did trying to find sources, that should be held as legitimate. Telling me that it's not hurtful for whatever reason doesn't make sense, it hurt me so it was hurtful to me. While I understand that your intentions were probably to be constructive, being conscious of your wording in discussions like this can make the difference between someone taking something valuable from them and using that for future reference and that person simply feeling alienated. benǝʇᴉɯ 02:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bad wording, I do apologize for it. My heart and mind are at the right place. In the meantime I will remove the sources as you include them on the article. It will make it easier for everyone involved. Cheers. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 08:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benmite I'm adding more information on the article regarding the song, feel free to change the wording and that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]