Talk:Ghilji

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"The Lodi dynasty, who were rulers of the Delhi Sultanate (1450–1526), were Ghilzai Pashtuns."

This statement is wrong. The Ghilzai(Ghilji/Ghalji) are the kindred tribe of the Lodhis. The Ghilji are descendants of the eldest son, of Shah Hussein of Ghor and Bibi Mato, called Ghilji. The Lodhis are the descendants of the younger son, Ibrahim Loae. The Ghilji represent the western house of Mati and the Lodhi represent the eastern house of Mati. Together, they are called by their metronymic, the Matizai, which is rare in Afghan tribal culture.

Additionally, the Ghilji are not Khilji Turks,or descended therefrom. This is supposition on the part of the author. It derives from the mystery of the Khilji, a people described as allied to the Afghans during the latter's invasion of India and of residing in the area of Ghazni during the time of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni. Ironically, today the Ghilji reside in that same area but they spread into the area, as they are famously part-time nomads, especially before modern borders were fixed, and used to travel in the winter as far as Calcutta. Also, most tribes of Turkish or 'Turco-Mongol' descent are proud of the fact and would not deny it if it were true e.g the Turi Turco-Mongol tribe of Pakistan's tribal areas, the Karlugh Turks of Hazara division or the Qizilbash Turks of Lahore.

Both the Ghilji and the Lodhi share the tribal heritage of descent from Shah Hussein, a Ghorid prince who left the petty kingdoms of his Ghorid homeland of Ghor and Bamiyan in search of spiritual growth. Thus, they are both descended from House of Ghor. The Ghorids were the rulers of the central massif of Afghanistan for hundreds of years till their destruction during the Mongol advance of Genghis Khan and were deemed to be descended from a ruler of Iran. Neither tribe of Ghilji or Lodhi has facial markers of Turkic/Mongol descent (wide set narrow eyes, flat facial features, brachycephalic heads). Rather, they have a surprising degree of variation in features, from Aryan to Semitic, similar to many Afghan tribes.

Please do not insist on this fable of Turkish descent. It is unsupported by books and by the tribal heritage of the people themselves. At the very least, let us obtain a neutral POV on the matter.

khaji and sur empire should also be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:E898:7A38:94D:AC81 (talk) 20:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

It definitely needs NPOV, and it needs sources. I have left in the idea about Turkish descent for the time being, but again, the point is that a source is needed. It would be interesting to know which language the Ghilzai speak. Itsmejudith 21:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Shah Hussein was not a Ghurid prince nor was he from Ghor but from modern Turkey. He was a Seldshuk prince that travelled to the Sulaiman Mountains..so the myth of the Ghalzais and their common father. Hussein which live in their myth was a Turk, the Gok-Turk tribe of Khalji was also a turk...but ok.. what do you say about that: Abdalis->Ephtalits (turco-mongolian tribe with some lesser iranians), Zadrans->Jadrans, Jaji (also Zazais)->Jaji, Kharoti->Karot/Kareit ...ect. that Pashtuns claim him as their ancestors is because Ghalzais and Seldshuks had still eastern asian features..and that brought them in contact ...even the Ghalzais lived for ca. 200 years in modern Afghanistan (Ghazna). They were maybe the direct descends of the Gök-Turks who defeated the Abdalis with the help of Vahram Gur who pushed them to modern pakistan. That´s why Ghalzais and Abdalis still fight eachother...tough both do not the reason for it because they have forgotten the happenings in the past but because their rivalery was still among them so they couldn´t and can´t stop with killing, raping and looting eachothers ownship.

To understand who these tribes are you have to analyze the turks, mongols and pashtun tribes clearly..their myth´s, their culture, language, names ect. The Khalji were originally from Altai, later moved to Turkestan where they migrated to Punjab and adopted first the language of the population there that´s why they had also all indian names..and later they became afghanized and they adopted their language. Sebütgin, the Ghaznavid ruler brought them from Punjab to Ghazni where they later felt into slavery of the Persian Ghurids...so they ptook them back to India where the Khaljis gave their children also islamic and persian names beside their indian names. With the death of the persian general Aybak they took the power of the Indo-Ghurid empire and started to manage the mamluk empire...slave-dynasty of delhi --Aspandyar Agha 12:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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1722 - 1725 H.M. Mahmud Shah, Shahanshah of Persia. b. at Kandahar, ca. 1699, educ. privately. Murdered his uncle and assumed the Governorship of Kandahar, 1717. Invaded Persia for the first time in 1719 and 1721-1722, which culminated in his victory at the battle of Gulnabad, 8th March 1722. Laid siege to Isfahan and forced the abdication of Shah Sultan Husain Safawi, 23rd October 1722. Responcible for the murder of a large number of Princes, nobles, and Qizilbashi notables, some by his own hand. Deposed by his cousin on account of his madness, 22nd April 1725. m. at Isfahan, 1722, Shahzadi ... Begum, sixth daughter of H.M. Zill-u'llah 'Abu'l Muzaffar Sultan Husain Shah, Shahanshah of Persia. He was k. in prison at Isfahan, 25th April 1725 (bur. at Najaf), having had issue:Copyright© Christopher Buyers 1) H.R.H. Shahzada ... Mirza. b. ca. 1723 (s/o the Shahzadi). He was blinded and k. on the orders of Ashraf Shah,

1725 - 1729 H.M. Ashraf Shah, Shahanshah of Persia. b. ca. 1700, educ. privately. Imprisoned by his cousin Mahmud Shah after he murdered his father, 1717. Succeeded on his deposition, 22nd April 1725. Released from confinement and crowned at Isfahan, 26th April 1726. Defeated the Turks 1726 and concluded a peace with them a year later. Terminated hostilities with the Russians and concluded a peace with them in 1729. Expelled from Mashhad and Herat by H.M. Shah Tahmasp II Safawi, and was forced out of Isfahan, 13th November 1729. m. at Isfahan, April 1725, Shahzadi ... Begum, seventh daughter of H.M. Zill-u'llah 'Abu'l Muzaffar Sultan Husain Shah, Shahanshah of Persia. He was k. by his adherents while fleeing towards Kandahar, 1730.

Itsmejudith 21:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghilzai

The Ghilzai are not Turks or Tatars (the Tatars are a Turko-Mongol group in Eastern Europe!!!). It is speculated by some that they may have had some distant links to the Khalaj people who are counted among the early Turkic tribes, but this is only speculation, because the Ghilzai neither have East Asian physical appearance nor any signs of Altaic influence in their language except for some vocabulary that infiltrated Pashto after the Mongol conquest (that means some 500 years after the Khilji had already moved into the Iranian Plateau). And even if the distant ancestors of the Ghilzai were Turks, it has definitely changed in the past 1000 (!!) years. The Hotaki dynasty existed in the 18th century, that means more than 800 years after the migration of the Khiljis, and more than 500 years after the Turko-Afghan Khilji dynasty of India. The Hotaki dynasty did not rule as Turks, they ruled as Sunni Pashtuns who claimed the throne of entire Persia. See this document from the website of Yale University: http://www.yale.edu/agrarianstudies/papers/19weapons.pdf -DerDoc 00:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

and therefore terms like Ane Khan ect. were existing among Pashtuns 1000 years earlier before J. Khan?? Khan->Abdalis and Ghalzais->Khagan (proto-turkish and proto-mongolian words)--Aspandyar Agha 12:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Taliban?

I don't have time to edit it right now or I would.

To say that the Ghilzai supported to the Taliban is like saying, "Americans always love their President." Most Taliban were actually from the Durrani tribe, based around Kandahar. Many Ghilzais did support the Taliban--many do now in opposition to the Durrani President Karzai--but they didn't support the Taliban across the board, so to speak. There are dozens and dozens of sub-tribes, clans, and families with different allegiances. This needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.205.28.104 (talk) 21:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Wording should be changed a little. More Taliban were from Durrani than Ghilzai. PashtoonBoy (talk) 21:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha The talibans where mostly pashtuns and tajiks both Ghizalis and Durrani's mixed tegethour good point though I liked it when u said "It's like saying, Americans love their president" Haha I am a durrani and LOL I don think Ghizalis support the Talibans , I mean almost no one does now.

Removal of fake material

Hello, I have now removed some fake or misrepresented material posted by someone regarding the Tanoli Hindkowan descent, and also some false sources or references used to support this claim. Please also see my detailed notes in this regard on the Tanoli talk page, thanks Khani100 (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2014 (UTC)Khani100

Dear editor Khani, I have also today removed some fallacious statements regarding the same Tanoli who might or might not be related to this Pashtun tribe, as most sources place the Tanolis in the Turkic-Mongol ethnic group. I have also removed some unreliable sources and I think there are some more sources that are dubious, and need to be checked. I hope you will kindly give a look, or some other neutral and senior editor thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 11:43, 3 October 2015 (UTC)AsadUK200

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Ghilji

A collection of names, Ghilji, Khaljī , Khiljī, Ghilzai, Ghalzai, Gharzai
یک مجموعه نامها مانند غلزایی، غلجایی، غلزی، غلجی، غیلزی، غیلجی، خلجی، خیلجی، غرزی --Shxahxh (talk) 07:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

khalji. khalji and su empire should also be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:E898:7A38:94D:AC81 (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2022

Musakhail 182.183.247.103 (talk) 11:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 11:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2022

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like suggest a correction. It is stated here that Niazi tribe is a subtribe of Lodhi tribe. Niazi is actually one of the largest Pashtun tribes and this information is wrong. It is a subtribe of the Bettani group just like Lodhi is. But its parent tribe is directly the Ghilji group. The Niazis are in majority among Afghan Pashtuns and reside in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Lodhi being a very small group of Pashtuns, are not many in number but still considered Pashtuns as the history tells they arrived in India some 600+ years ago.

Please allow an edit so I can clarify this.

Kind regards,

Zafar Khan Tari Khel Zafar Khan Tari Khel (talk) 07:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

The Niazi referred to in this page is a name while the page is about a tribe. The original Name of the tribe is NiyaZai which is not the name of the son of Lodi as it says in this page. Please allow me to edit this as I belong to the tribe and we are providing wrong info. Lodis are also Pashtuns but of a separate clan. Niazis are direct Decendants of Khilji tribe as the Lodis are, they not a subtribe. Please allow the edit. The source mentioned in this page is not reliable as it is written by someone in the UK who hasnt even lived in the region. The reliable sources are the actual tribes. Zafar Khan Tari Khel (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2023

The Etymology which is mentioned for this page is fully incorrect, the tribal name for Khilji is not Ghilji but Ghalzay or Ghilzai...

There is no khilji in tribal language, this Ghilzay word was changed due to indian different dialects. Like afghan call's the word azadi while the indian pronounce as ajadi. Afghans pronounce the word Zameen while indian pronounce it as jameen...

So same like these, the indian changed the ghilzay as Khiljis. And there is no linkage of khilji afghan with turk. The DNA report also showed that there is no linkage of turks with khilji people but they're all trying to stole the history. 39.40.89.113 (talk) 11:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2024

the name that you write ibrahimzai is wrong, it’s Adrimzai (Abdulrahimzai) not ibrahimzai so plaese as quick as you can change it to adrimzai (Abdulrahimzai) Himat Adrimzai (talk) 08:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Amarkhail

Amarkhail is a sub tribe of Ghilji tribe 2607:FEA8:1D80:3020:805E:7C25:B896:794B (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Realty of Khilji Tribe.

The history of the Khilji tribe is very ancient. According to historical records and records, information about him is incomplete and incorrect. This tribe is a tribe of Mongol or Mughal people. He settled and ruled first in Afghanistan and then in the subcontinent. It would be wrong to compare the language and way of life of the Kaliji tribe with any one ethnic group. Especially calling him a Pashtun or Pakhtun Pathan is also wrong. 154.81.229.108 (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Khilji is the same as Ghilzai and they’re Bettani Pashtuns hailing directly from Qais. Not Mongols 2001:569:7DF4:4600:D1F9:DD72:F5AC:9913 (talk) 06:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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