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How did Eminem have dominant production over The Massacre??

I'm going to erase that little bit of trivia. Check the facts and it's not true. --Avenger1000 04:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this is his first official albulm. the ones before were all mixtapes which grew his hype, as for the Power Of The Dollar album it was shelved before it's release and so it doesnt count.

Can some one change that statement that said get rich or die trying sold 30,000,000 copies the first week, i would chang it my self but i dont kno the numbers.

Still a stub?

This seems pretty thorough to me. What more is there to add?66.67.183.67 02:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"bound to get lucky baby or bound to die tryin'"

Anyone knows if perhaps 50cent was influenced from Bob Dylan's "down the highway" line (from freewheelin bob dylan) while making the title? anyone knows if 50 is maybe a dylan fan? i always said that dylan is the original rapper (listen to its alright ma') —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beivushtang (talk • contribs) 09:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Many Men

there is a article on all singles from this album but not many men??? and many men isnt on the discography page either? it was a single that was on the radio and had a music video.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.238.218 (talk) 23:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dubcnn":

From Power of the Dollar: Ninja (December 2002). 50 Cent Interview. Dubcnn. Accessed May 21, 2008.
From 50 Cent: Ninja (December 2002). 50 Cent Interview. Dubcnn. Accessed May 22, 2007.
From Thug Love (song): Ninja (December 2002). 50 Cent Interview. Dubcnn. Accessed May 22, 2007.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

USA Today review

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. USA Today (Jones, Steve. D.05. February 11, 2003) review of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2003):

Rap: 50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin' ( * * * out of four) Between his underground mix tapes, his association with Eminem and Dr. Dre and his feud with Ja Rule, 50 Cent has made his album this year's most anticipated (and heavily pirated). The Queens rapper delivers, in vivid detail, stories of the violent life he led as a crack dealer and speaks with the swagger of one who has been shot nine times and lived to tell about it. On Many Men (Wish Death), he talks of living with a bull's-eye on his chest, while the haunting, Eminem- produced Patiently Waiting recounts his success despite haters and industry drama. Party anthem In da Club, one of several Dre tracks, lightens the heavy mood just a bit. And though 50 Cent is usually about as gentlemanly as Snoop Dogg, his 21 Questions, with Nate Dogg, takes a relatively courtly tone. The rapper has excelled at getting attention for himself, and his music makes him well worth a look.
— Steve Jones

Dan56 (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Certications

it is certifed 6 plat not 9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Df2397 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvios

In Critical reception we currently have the text:

Rolling Stone's Christian Hoard commended 50 Cent's undeniable showcase of skill, radio-ready tracks, and marketable thug persona in addition to the album's production for its dark synth grooves, buzzy keyboards, and persistently funky bounce.[22]

The cited source has:

"If this combination of big-name backers, undeniable skills, radio-ready tracks and a marketable thug persona make Get Rich or Die Tryin' a sure-shot smash hit, it also makes it a great record ... concocting ... club-ready and spaced-out tracks out of dark synth grooves, buzzy keyboards and a persistently funky bounce."

Obviously, the Wikipedia text: "undeniable showcase of skill, radio-ready tracks, and marketable thug persona" is ridiculously close to "undeniable skills, radio-ready tracks and a marketable thug persona".

Further, "its dark synth grooves, buzzy keyboards, and persistently funky bounce" is far too close to "of dark synth grooves, buzzy keyboards and a persistently funky bounce". In fact, its virtually verbatim and a copyvio. I've went ahead and placed these verbatim fragments inside quotation marks. Harmelodix (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean?

What does "Gets no cuter as his character unfolds."[30] mean? Harmelodix (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Retrohead (talk · contribs) 08:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Features then-newcomers Young Buck, Lloyd Banks and Tony Yayo→they were coming from where?
Can we move the references to the article's body? (the sales and certifications cites)
Can we move "at the 46th Grammy Awards" right after "for a Grammy Award for Best Rap Album"?
Do we have a more accurate date for the album's recording? It certainly wasn't recorded the entire 2002, was it?
The "gangsta rap" genre is sourced with what?

Overall, the prose in the lead is exceptionally well written.

Background

Can we expand the section with information about the reason he was shot?
Is the mixtape Guess Who's Back? the one that should have been released with Columbia Records?
A recording can not be an album and a mixtape at the same time (third sentence).
You mention information about singles in this section, which shouldn't be the case according to the section's title.

Singles

Apart from the chart success, can you elaborate on the other aspects of the songs, such as videos or lyrical themes?

Commercial performance

Generally speaking, the section is not well researched compared to the album's commercial success. Can we find second week and worldwide sales?
I see we got information about the US sales as of July 2014, but the lead has an older number as of December 2013. Please update the number.

Critical reception

A page number is required for the claim that the record was "the most hyped rap debut".
Can you incorporate the Metacritic score in the table?
The accolades paragraph is not well researched either. You haven't mention the Grammy nomination nor the Rolling Stone rating. There are other accolades on this album for sure.

Non-prose sections

Please add a reference about the track listing (you can use the booklet if you have a copy).
You can use the certification table entry for the certifications.
Please be consistent with the reference formatting. References 2, 14, 15, 37, are not placed in a citation template. Ref number 17 and the second external link are not accessible. Also provide page numbers of the books you are citing in the bibliography.

I might start copy editing the article. I'll come back with additional notes once these are done.--Retrohead (talk) 09:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this! I'll be a little busy this weekend, but I should be able to dig-in Monday. Harmelodix (talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing the review as failed due to the nominator's inactivity.--Retrohead (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 11:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album) → Get Rich or Die Tryin' – Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, this article is the primary topic, because it is the most visited of the three, and has more media presence than the others. We can place a notification at the top of this article if the reader is looking for the soundtrack or the film. --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:10, 6 August 2014 (UTC) Retrohead (talk) 20:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – the target is taken by a disambig page, which is the best way to handle the ambiguity. Dicklyon (talk) 03:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film made 46 million dollars, so it is hardly secondary—a whole lot of people paid to see it. Which means the PRIMARYTOPIC argument is not as strong. Also, all three names at the dab page are confusing because they are so closely related. The disambiguation page is therefore needed. Binksternet (talk) 05:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. This article is misnamed, there being another album article, so this should be called Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2003 album) -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: For all of the said reasons above. KaneZolanski (talk) 17:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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High all the Time

Searching for "High All the Time" brings you here. That's ok, but it's a chorus in the song Habits (Tove Lo song) by Swdish singer Tove Lo. It's very easy to get confused by this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.236.234 (talk) 09:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 27 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move. We have clear consensus that the album is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Cúchullain ^t/c 21:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Most visited, most represented in media, and firstly released. The main opposing argument in the last request was that a film with the same title is released. There is a similar case with Straight Outta Compton, where the album is the main topic, and the film is secondary, even though the Straight Outta Compton movie was far better commercial and critical success (and widely represented in the media) than Get Rich or Die Tryin' (film). Retrohead (talk) 12:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - same as previous RM. and also malformed since Get Rich or Die Tryin' leads to Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album), 2003 album Get Rich or Die Tryin' (film), 2005 crime drama Get Rich or Die Tryin' (soundtrack), the film's soundtrack In ictu oculi (talk) 13:01, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In ictu oculi, doesn't Straight Outta Compton lead to Straight Outta Compton (album), Straight Outta Compton (film), and Straight Outta Compton (soundtrack)? Also, why do you bypass WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which clearly lists the criteria that allow the album to be moved (original topic, traffic statistics, usage in media)?--Retrohead (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because I don't believe the album has more encyclopaedic significance than the film. I don't think any of them are that significant for an encyclopedia, and they're all offshoots of the same project. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's preposterous. The other two articles clearly lack notability in comparison to this one. Your argument "if two or more articles have the same title they must have disambiguation, regardless of notability" doesn't hold much ground.--Retrohead (talk) 21:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Hatnotes work well in cases like this, as noted by WP:TWODABS. Calidum T|C 03:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per primary topic criteria. This article has far greater notability than the other two.--Retrohead (talk) 14:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 15:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. WikiRedactor (talk) 00:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support most definitely the primary topic Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Assessment comment

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The article needs a "personnel" section including all musicians as well as technical personnel. Lacking that, it can't technically rise above "start" class. It needs composers/authors in the tracklist to rise above C class. Too, to rise above C class, the lead needs to be expanded in line with WP:LEAD.

Although technically this should be a "start", I think there are enough additional features in the article to warrant rating it a "C".

Article requirements:
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C: all of start and (1) cover art in infobox; (2) at least one additional section of prose; (3) track lengths & song authors in tracklist; (4) a personnel section including all musicians.
B: all of C and (1) most technical details in infobox; (2) technical personnel in personnel section; (3) no obvious issues with sourcing; (4) no obvious issues with readability, though it may not conform completely to style guidelines; (5) no glaring omissions of information (see some suggestions at WP:ALBUM) or extraneous information, like trivia.
Higher Classes are not assigned by WikiProject Album. Please review "the perfect article" and, if already B class, consider seeking additional feedback from Wikipedia:Good articles or Wikipedia:Featured articles.

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment for additional information on article class. To request a reassessment from the Album project, when concerns are addressed, please see "requesting an assessment". --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 16:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Sales/certifications

In multiple areas, it says things like The album was certified 6× platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for shipping eight million copies in the US.

Is this correct?
Should we reword that? Even if it is correct, it would mean they're behind on their certifications or something, right? This current wording makes it sound like it takes 8 million sold to get to 6x platinum, which is not correct by RIAA standards. (Its 1mil = 1x platinum). Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 12:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The album has sold 8,5 million copies so far, but it is only certified 6x platinum by the RIAA. I'll reword it right away.--Retrohead (talk) 16:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I just wanted to double check before making changes myself - I work a lot in music articles, but this falls out of my normal musical interests, so I wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 19:11, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Add year count since album’s release

I find that adding the # of years since the albums release is helpful for those who are in search of the exact age of the album. CanadianOntarian (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]