User talk:Harmelodix
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Caper454
[edit]It looks as though Caper454 doesn't get it. I suggest that you ignore him and give him enough rope. In any case, I suggest that you ignore him. Either he will move on, or he won't. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I will follow your advice and avoid him at all costs. Thanks for standing-up for me! Harmelodix (talk) 16:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- No, Robert McClenon, it is you who doesn't get it. I've tried to walk away but you keep poking. You have a very obvious bias which is clouding your judgement, and you are siding with an editor who clearly cast an anti-white aspersion on a fellow editor. You have zero authority here, so knock it off. Perhaps you should heed your own advice and ignore me instead of fomenting further conflict, which is all your actions are accomplishing. Please just drop it and move on. Caper454 (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- FTR, Caper, it was an accident, honestly. I didn't mean to call you Casper as an insult; I mistyped or got spell-corrected. The intended insult was calling you Socrates, not Casper, so for that I sincerely apologize. I hope that we can move forward as rationale adults and put this misunderstanding behind us. To be clear, while I was deeply offended by the "boy" comment, I realized that you didn't know what you had done; however, you did not apologize after I told you that I was offended, in fact you continued to needle me. That's all I need to say about that, so let's move on shall we? Harmelodix (talk) 17:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I guess the further "needling" you complain about is what's confusing me. I simply took notice that you were becoming extremely frustrated (which you conceded as accurate) and I suggested that maybe you step away from the computer, as you were in direct conflict with multiple editors at that time. This is needling? Let's be clear; it was you who hurled a few indisputable affronts in my direction ("flamer", "casper", and "Socrates" which you just acknowledged was intended as an "intended insult"). What was intended by myself as friendly advice was taken as an insult, an that says much more about you than it says about me. Caper454 (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I see that Robert McClenon was right about you. Please consider this a formal request to stay off my talk page. Any further edits to it will be reverted. Bye bye! Harmelodix (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Please take the advice of User:Drmies and leave WP:ANI alone. Otherwise you and another editor may both be blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Okay. Harmelodix (talk) 18:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I looked at the ANI discussion. That "Casper" was supposed to be a slur was news to me also, but that "boy", when addressed to a black man (or young man, or child, doesn't matter), is a slur alright, and if one doesn't know that one should take that as a learning experience and not attack the messenger (which I think was you, Robert?). But "busy boy", that's debatable. I think it was called "condescending but not a racial slur", or words to that effect, and I agree. Let's hope that Caper got the message--and the other message is that taking offense at the term "boy" does not say that much about the person taking offense. If someone called me "boy" it would be an insult to, unless it was spoken in a friendly tone by a much older person. Thanks, and thanks Robert, Drmies (talk) 18:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- And I hope this cleared up any possible confusion about an editor having to keep quiet about something. They were reprimanded (at least that's how I read it) for the "busy boy", and I am sure they won't be repeating what they said on my talk page, or make any other kind of personal attack; I think I made that clear enough to them. (Yes, I'm a firm believer in singular they.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- The modifier "busy" does absolutely nothing to remediate the racial implications of calling a black man "boy". E.g., "Y'all been a good boy", or "Now that's a bad boy", or "My you are a big boy". Its the same to me - you just simply do not ever call a black man boy, but as I said above, I realize that he didn't know that I'm black, so I can let it slide. But even after he knew it did not apologize or stop attacking me, in fact it got worse after I asked him to not call me "boy". I'll try to avoid him, but what do I do if I feel that he is following me still? Harmelodix (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I disagree that "busy boy" carries the weight of the other examples, and in this case it does depend on the utterer's knowledge, but your point is well taken. Again, the charges of following around can be investigated but HOUNDING requires some kind of proof that a. it is done as a pattern (big or small) and b. it is done to harass another user. Any slurs or insults, report them, to me or to another admin. Race relations (at least, between "black" and "white") on Wikipedia rarely come to a boiling point in a public forum (though there's plenty of racist comments made by idiots in article and talk space, usually quickly reverted and oversighted), probably because we're so overwhelmingly white, and it may well be that as a white person I am not as well equipped to judge a slur as you might be (I never knew about "boy" until I moved to the US...). Tell you what, I'll ping Malik Shabazz, who has been on the receiving end of more racial abuse (through Wikipedia) than I care to count, and who is a bona fide administrator. I have never doubted his judgment. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Drmies. I guess my point is that its never okay to call a black man "boy", even if preceded by a seemingly disarming modifier. But the real point here is Caper454's inability to apologize and agree to move-on civilly. I don't want to cause any trouble, but I honestly feel that Caper454 was helping Dan56 and Mlpearc to hound me by committee. There is likely no article that I can edit that one of these three hasn't already. Thanks, for helping me with wise advice. Harmelodix (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- No, thank you for the lesson: when in doubt, don't, that's a good lesson. (And I can't make someone apologize, though I find it mighty ungracious if they don't.) Let's see if we can settle the Sabbath matter amicably. Drmies (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with you, Harmelodix, that it's never appropriate to call a Black man a "boy", but in this instance I wonder whether you may have read more into the comment than was intended.
- By the way, I didn't realize you were a new editor when we "met" at Talk:New York Dolls (album). I apologize for my tone there. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, Malik. But for the record, I said right away that I knew Caper didn't intentionally use the term racially, but he made no attempt to apologize after he knew that he had offended me, which is the real issue here, IMO. Harmelodix (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Drmies. I guess my point is that its never okay to call a black man "boy", even if preceded by a seemingly disarming modifier. But the real point here is Caper454's inability to apologize and agree to move-on civilly. I don't want to cause any trouble, but I honestly feel that Caper454 was helping Dan56 and Mlpearc to hound me by committee. There is likely no article that I can edit that one of these three hasn't already. Thanks, for helping me with wise advice. Harmelodix (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I disagree that "busy boy" carries the weight of the other examples, and in this case it does depend on the utterer's knowledge, but your point is well taken. Again, the charges of following around can be investigated but HOUNDING requires some kind of proof that a. it is done as a pattern (big or small) and b. it is done to harass another user. Any slurs or insults, report them, to me or to another admin. Race relations (at least, between "black" and "white") on Wikipedia rarely come to a boiling point in a public forum (though there's plenty of racist comments made by idiots in article and talk space, usually quickly reverted and oversighted), probably because we're so overwhelmingly white, and it may well be that as a white person I am not as well equipped to judge a slur as you might be (I never knew about "boy" until I moved to the US...). Tell you what, I'll ping Malik Shabazz, who has been on the receiving end of more racial abuse (through Wikipedia) than I care to count, and who is a bona fide administrator. I have never doubted his judgment. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- The modifier "busy" does absolutely nothing to remediate the racial implications of calling a black man "boy". E.g., "Y'all been a good boy", or "Now that's a bad boy", or "My you are a big boy". Its the same to me - you just simply do not ever call a black man boy, but as I said above, I realize that he didn't know that I'm black, so I can let it slide. But even after he knew it did not apologize or stop attacking me, in fact it got worse after I asked him to not call me "boy". I'll try to avoid him, but what do I do if I feel that he is following me still? Harmelodix (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Okay. Harmelodix (talk) 18:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Please take the advice of User:Drmies and leave WP:ANI alone. Otherwise you and another editor may both be blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I see that Robert McClenon was right about you. Please consider this a formal request to stay off my talk page. Any further edits to it will be reverted. Bye bye! Harmelodix (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- I guess the further "needling" you complain about is what's confusing me. I simply took notice that you were becoming extremely frustrated (which you conceded as accurate) and I suggested that maybe you step away from the computer, as you were in direct conflict with multiple editors at that time. This is needling? Let's be clear; it was you who hurled a few indisputable affronts in my direction ("flamer", "casper", and "Socrates" which you just acknowledged was intended as an "intended insult"). What was intended by myself as friendly advice was taken as an insult, an that says much more about you than it says about me. Caper454 (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- FTR, Caper, it was an accident, honestly. I didn't mean to call you Casper as an insult; I mistyped or got spell-corrected. The intended insult was calling you Socrates, not Casper, so for that I sincerely apologize. I hope that we can move forward as rationale adults and put this misunderstanding behind us. To be clear, while I was deeply offended by the "boy" comment, I realized that you didn't know what you had done; however, you did not apologize after I told you that I was offended, in fact you continued to needle me. That's all I need to say about that, so let's move on shall we? Harmelodix (talk) 17:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- No, Robert McClenon, it is you who doesn't get it. I've tried to walk away but you keep poking. You have a very obvious bias which is clouding your judgement, and you are siding with an editor who clearly cast an anti-white aspersion on a fellow editor. You have zero authority here, so knock it off. Perhaps you should heed your own advice and ignore me instead of fomenting further conflict, which is all your actions are accomplishing. Please just drop it and move on. Caper454 (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album)
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This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Retrohead -- Retrohead (talk) 08:40, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album)
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Your GA nomination of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album)
[edit]The article Get Rich or Die Tryin' (album) you nominated as a good article has failed 
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- Sorry for the trouble! I got tied up at work - not literally - and I have had little free-time in the past few weeks. When my schedule clears up I'll re-nom. Harmelodix (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Talkback
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Recent allegations
[edit]Kww and DoRD, you have made a slight mistake here, because I am not Jazzerino and there is no way that our IPs are the same or similar. I'm not sure what your CU showed, but there is no technical connection between us, though I do know who Jazzerino is. Flow Ridian is not my sock, they are my roommate, and I must have accidentally used their IP when I logged-in. I forgot that I even made an account called Catmanjazz, and it appears that I never used it after that first day of editing. So, I'm really not sure why I have been indeffed here. Even if I was abusing multiple accounts, is this usually an indeff situation? Why not just a block? Harmelodix (talk) 19:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- So your defense against the sockpuppeting accusations is that you are a group of people that all know each other, all edit the same articles, and all argue with Dan56. Hmm. That's quite an argument.—Kww(talk) 21:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Nah, man, that's not what I meant. I live in the same house as Flow Ridian, and sometimes we both use the same "house" computer using different IPs. He knew about my issues with Dan56 and stayed away from him until he was invited to review Dan's current FAC. I told him to stay out of it, but he's his own person and I don't control him. I am nobody's sock, and the worst thing I've done is make two accounts and not use the other; I don't even know why I made two, maybe I decided that catmanjazz was a lame name, IDK. I know who Jazzerino is because they've e-mailed me, and told me that Dan56 treated them like shit also. Still though, why have I been indeffed? The worst thing I did was have two accounts; is that really a capital offense here? Harmelodix (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Using seven accounts to harass another user pretty much is a death sentence, yes.—Kww(talk) 23:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- That's what I'm saying, only one of those accounts is mine! I don't blame you for not believing me, but I never edited as Flow Ridian; I must have made an edit or tow on his IP, but I never used that account for anything!!! From what I could tell at the SPI, I have not been concerted to Jazzerino, which is fucking impossible!!! Harmelodix (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry to swear, but this is frustrating. I only have two accounts, catmanjazz and Harmelodix. Flow Ridian is not my account and neither are the others, like Edison, Jazzerino or Jazz49. It looked to me that Edison wasn't even connected to any of the others, was it? Harmelodix (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Due to the use of multiple web host/proxy services, both groups plus Jazzerino and MaximumEdison are highly likely the same" is the actual quote.—Kww(talk) 23:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but "highly likely" is obviously not certain, right? I am 100% not MaximumEdison or Jazzerino, but I can see why you thought Flow Ridian was me. DoRD, will you please explain to me how I am linked to several accoutns that I did not make or use? Flow Ridian and catman are the only ones that are connecte to me, the rest is a big mistake. Harmelodix (talk) 23:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Kww, you said: "Behaviour clinches any small uncertainty in the checkuser results", which implies that you might be connecting two groups on the basis that they both had conflicts with Dan56. He accused me on my third day of editing and has been saying this ever since, but as far as I can see, there is no proof that I am anybody's sock nor am I socking! Harmelodix (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Kww, are you saying that I am indeffed, but Jazzerino isn't? What the fuck is going on around here? Harmelodix (talk) 00:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- All listed accounts are indefinitely blocked.—Kww(talk) 00:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Alright, well thanks. Does this mean that I as a person am indeffed from Wikipedia forever? Harmelodix (talk) 00:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Until you persuade someone to unblock you, yes.
{{unblock|reason=your explanation}}is the template for requesting an unblock. You might start with that one about your roommate: no one has ever used that excuse before, so you might be able to fool someone into believing you.—Kww(talk) 03:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)- I've heard that one before, Kww, and it wasn't true that time either. But same computer, "different IP", yeah, that's new to me too. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Kww and Drmies, I live in a house with 6 grad students, and since our internet service is provided by the owner of the house, who also happens to be one of my room mate's parents, several of us buy proxy IPs that we use to surf the web, so that our buddy's parents don't get connected to porn, gambling, social networking, and Wikipedia socking! I don't blame you to not believe me, but that's the truth. Flow Ridian wanted to pile it on Dan, but I asked him not to for fear that we would be connected and accused of socking. He said that after Dan56 invited him that he was legit to join the conflict. I disagreed but he did anyway. You two are wrong to connect me to Jazzerino, and I wonder how many other users will be wrongly lumped in with them. Anyway, how can I be the sock of someone who hasn't edited Wikipedia in two months? Aren't they inactive at this point and beyond sockmastering? Look at it this way, if I am the socker you make me out to be, why would I even ask to be unblocked? The reputation of this account is obviously ruined, so it's basically useless to me now anyway. I want to make another account, but I don't want to do it if I am still indeffed, because I don't want this to happen again. If I promise to never have more than one account, and to stay away from Dan56, will you please unblock me? All I want to do is retire Harmelodix and start new. Is that possible? Harmelodix (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- I've heard that one before, Kww, and it wasn't true that time either. But same computer, "different IP", yeah, that's new to me too. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Until you persuade someone to unblock you, yes.
- Alright, well thanks. Does this mean that I as a person am indeffed from Wikipedia forever? Harmelodix (talk) 00:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- All listed accounts are indefinitely blocked.—Kww(talk) 00:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, but "highly likely" is obviously not certain, right? I am 100% not MaximumEdison or Jazzerino, but I can see why you thought Flow Ridian was me. DoRD, will you please explain to me how I am linked to several accoutns that I did not make or use? Flow Ridian and catman are the only ones that are connecte to me, the rest is a big mistake. Harmelodix (talk) 23:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Due to the use of multiple web host/proxy services, both groups plus Jazzerino and MaximumEdison are highly likely the same" is the actual quote.—Kww(talk) 23:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry to swear, but this is frustrating. I only have two accounts, catmanjazz and Harmelodix. Flow Ridian is not my account and neither are the others, like Edison, Jazzerino or Jazz49. It looked to me that Edison wasn't even connected to any of the others, was it? Harmelodix (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- That's what I'm saying, only one of those accounts is mine! I don't blame you for not believing me, but I never edited as Flow Ridian; I must have made an edit or tow on his IP, but I never used that account for anything!!! From what I could tell at the SPI, I have not been concerted to Jazzerino, which is fucking impossible!!! Harmelodix (talk) 23:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Using seven accounts to harass another user pretty much is a death sentence, yes.—Kww(talk) 23:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- Nah, man, that's not what I meant. I live in the same house as Flow Ridian, and sometimes we both use the same "house" computer using different IPs. He knew about my issues with Dan56 and stayed away from him until he was invited to review Dan's current FAC. I told him to stay out of it, but he's his own person and I don't control him. I am nobody's sock, and the worst thing I've done is make two accounts and not use the other; I don't even know why I made two, maybe I decided that catmanjazz was a lame name, IDK. I know who Jazzerino is because they've e-mailed me, and told me that Dan56 treated them like shit also. Still though, why have I been indeffed? The worst thing I did was have two accounts; is that really a capital offense here? Harmelodix (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Harmelodix (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I promise to never have more than one account, and I promise to avoid Dan56 as best as I can. I've learned a lot from this experience, and I want to do right by Wikipedia. This is my first infraction, so will somebody please unblock me? Harmelodix (talk) 18:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Decline, per below. Continuing to sock after you say you won't anymore is bad idea. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
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- For the onlooker: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jazzerino/Archive. I have no comment on the learning experience, though I think it comes a bit too late. Drmies (talk) 20:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Drmies and Kww, is it possible that you are conflating two sockmasters? You guys have Maximum Edison as a sock of User:MariaJaydHicky, so why is this getting pinned to me? I am not Jazzerino, and I think I deserve an explanation of why you are accusing me of being a sock. Am I correct to assert that you are only connecting me to Jazzerino based on behavior, but not technical evidence? This makes a big difference, doesn't it, because I am only indeffed because you think I am Jazzerino and Maximum Edison, which I am not. If you are wrong that I am Jazzerino, then my only offense is socking, but not being a sock. I think Jazzerino is User:MariaJaydHicky, because how can HomieGman be both MariaJaydHicky and Jazzerino? If Jazzerino and MariaJaydHicky are the same person, then how can I be them? Harmelodix (talk) 23:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- I would note another sock has been found since the unblock request was filed, so I would recommend the reviewing admin declines this. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Drmies and Kww, is it possible that you are conflating two sockmasters? You guys have Maximum Edison as a sock of User:MariaJaydHicky, so why is this getting pinned to me? I am not Jazzerino, and I think I deserve an explanation of why you are accusing me of being a sock. Am I correct to assert that you are only connecting me to Jazzerino based on behavior, but not technical evidence? This makes a big difference, doesn't it, because I am only indeffed because you think I am Jazzerino and Maximum Edison, which I am not. If you are wrong that I am Jazzerino, then my only offense is socking, but not being a sock. I think Jazzerino is User:MariaJaydHicky, because how can HomieGman be both MariaJaydHicky and Jazzerino? If Jazzerino and MariaJaydHicky are the same person, then how can I be them? Harmelodix (talk) 23:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Harmelodix, I am so upset with you right now. After initiating multiple ANI's against me for questionable reasons (remember those nonsense racism allegations?) now it comes out that you were socking all along. People like you should be banned for life. Caper454 (talk) 12:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC)