Talk:George Muntz

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Citation needed

There is a line that states that the Umberslade Children's farm is still run by the Muntz family and that a citation is needed. I attempted to edit the page to add the citation but it would not allow me to edit so I figured i'd leave it here.

http://www.umberslade.com/pages/farm-park-about-us.html

The farm's official webpage, which states that Oliver Muntz runs it

Spelling

Why is this article "George Frederic Muntz", when the first line has "George Frederik Muntz"? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 March 2017

On March 2017, it was proposed that this article be moved from George Frederic Muntz to George Frederick Muntz. The result of the discussion was Moved to George Muntz.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED to George Muntz - Thunderstorm008 (talk) 19:42, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

George Frederic Muntz → George Frederick Muntz – Appears to be a spelling error. Cannot move it due to some kind of error when trying to move. Thunderstorm008 (talk) 22:48, 23 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:10, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 03:16, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sources differ about the spelling. One of the reference links gives his spelling as 'Frederic', even though he had some descendants who used the name 'Frederick'. Since he was a member of Parliament starting in 1840 his name ought to be in some good quality reference books. EdJohnston (talk) 03:16, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I do agree. Looking into this further there does appear to be conflicting sources on his name. The National Archives for example states his name as George Frederick Muntz ([1]) and the Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900 ([2]) also spells it this way. The dictionary appears to an authority on late 19th century political figures. The National Portrait Gallery spells it Frederick too ([3]). The History of Muntz Park ([4]) spells it Frederic as does the Birmingham Post([5])and Airworks: A History ([6]).
If you google George Frederick Muntz (you'll get books and websites spelling it that way) and if you google George Frederic Muntz (you'll get books and websites spelling it that way!) The Hansard can't help here either - it misses Muntz's middle name out altogether ([7]).
Perhaps the title needs changing to George Muntz to end confusion? It's not taken and we could place redirects on the articles with the middle names. Thunderstorm008 (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support alternative move to George Muntz. All three names seem about equally common. Redirect both the spellings of the middle name to the name that leaves it out seems neatest. Andrewa (talk) 01:49, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.